I started back in 1993 working for condo one. I did a good job, so condo2 and three hired me to do the same for them. I've built all the decks and patio's and I don't think there is anyone who can build a better deck.
There was an other contractor who built some decks in here and they don't compare or match the decks and patio's we build.
I have established a good working relationship with board memebers and if there is any problems we repair them immediately.
Condo 4 got several bids and then hired the most expensive bid. What does that tell you?
Since when do you get rid of someone doing a good job and good work?
You look at everything negatively and never consider the positives of having someone with as much knowledge of Whispering Hills so close at hand.
If you had an emergency who are you going to call when you sewer or hot water tank is spilling all over the place at 9pm at night. Do you need three bids then. You need to get real.
This is all I am going to say. I will not be posting here anymore. I do not need to answer to anyone who uses anonymous.
When did anonymous become a "WE" ????? Scary thought The Great Multiple Anonymous. Was this just for Halloween or are you actually multiplying???? For the record, I enjoy what I do and while I do see that there are many great things about WH I realize that there is a lot opportunity to be helpful and make things better. As far as I am concerned all comments and criticisms that are presented respectfully and factually are welcome - even when aimed at my lame attempts at satire which apparently dropped like a rock on the sensative big toe of the Great Multiple Anonymous
Regarding Jan - I welcome this opportunity to thank Jan publicly for his hard work and efforts in support of Condo 2 this season. When others are sleeping or just hanging out on the weekend Jan is out Saturday/ Sunday and every day of the week getting things done. By the way decks built on Sunday cost the same as Decks built on Monday. Working together we kept Condo 2 Special Projects (deck/patio) on budget and we paced the work to keep our cash flow in check. Our decks and patios look great and we look forward to getting into the more complex areas with retaining walls next season. Acting with patience and understanding Jan put in a final few decks as the season drew to a close getting the most out of the season. For everyone's information - Jan is a guy that responds with helpfulness when called upon at all hours of day or night to address community needs. He responds to emergency calls routinely when individual homeowners need immediate assistance. Jan also will refer other reputable resources when it makes sense to do so for the good of the community. Jan needs no defense from Anonymous or anyone else. Jan does deserve the recognition that he has earned for jobs well done – Carole Condo 2
Again you are the bosses - the community is the boss. The issue for you is to address is how to get others involved to develop involvement of the majority of our members then to develop a consensus on what the most important issues to the community are then to prioritize concerns. Then to set goals of the community. Then to develop an action plan. -Goal -Process -Outcome The effort needs to begin with neighbors talking productively to neighbors. Let the finger pointing be your start but see it for what it is an acclamation - It says look at this - but that is all that it says and it effectuates no change but done repeatedly it perpetuates itself and goes nowhere. To make positive change we need to say more than look at this, we need to say more than " we need change". The process needs to include -Goal -Process -Outcome How can we work together to develop a process plan? How do we bridge the gap between the us and them - we are all us and we are all them.
Is everyone willing to work together? If yes lets make that the goal. Let this be the first step of the process, lets write the rest of the process together. Let the outcome be communication without hostility - we can build a true community from there.
I will do what I can to help - your thoughts ? Thanks Carole Condo 2
Again...just because you do a good job doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you have the best price doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you live here doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you do good work doesn't mean you get all the work.
Again, you skirt the real issues. (just like Carole and all the other board members)
So everyone...basically Jan has pretty much got ME convinced that we DON'T get 3 bids on all the work because he has been here since 1993, does good work, can show up at the drop of a dime, and he has good prices. He has basically told us that he has created a monolopy for himself with the board and community.
I'd like to see Jan's bill after showing up at 9pm to fix something.
Hey Jan...when you cut the cable wire in the ground and caused people to not have cable for a day...did your company refund the residents for that 1 days worth of cable? I didn't get money back from you? Cabe is $100 per month....so when is you construction corporation going to refund my $3.33? Hey...buys me a gallon of milk or a dozen eggs.
Again...Jan...you failed to give us your business license number???? So do you even have one???? Are you licensed in NY?
Are you bonded? Insured? You didn't answer those questions?
If you are going to come here...you need to put up or SHUT UP.
William Calloway...where are your answers? Did you run too?
Great...he adwertises his business and then runs.
Jeff Jones...where did he go?
Seems as if they all run.
No different than the meetings.
Keep ignoring the issues. They will solve themselves.
Why do people post Anony...I will tell you.
Because of people like Jan. If he retaliates in a post I may be concerned of other types of retaliation.
When people post Anony....75% of the time you are getting raw emotions. That is what we need to hear and now we know everyone on the board and other people in politically connected positions in WH ARE reading this.
The intelligent people can filter out the BS and name calling from the real issues.
If the issues about Jan that were brought up here weren't TRUE then he would have never wasted his time answering them. AGAIN, more red flags.
A blog is just that folks...open communication...LIKE THE ISSUES OR DISCUSSIONS OR NOT. THAT is what a BLOG is for.
Typically in society guilty people usually tend to attempt to defend themselves then when they get caught the run away.
Personally...anony or not. This discussion is opening up some pretty large cans of worms.
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The reason why board members or people of influence do not blog on here anymore is they are tired of being criticized from the people who blog on here.
Those anonymous people don;t contribute to the well being of this place. Their only goal in life is ridicule and cause havoic.
Those anonymous people do not have a backbone. They are lazy, tired and selfish people who think the world owes them something.
Jan's post sums up the mentality of anyone who does work for the complex. Run away from the real issues and screw whispering hills because they can!
Run Forrest run! Jan's sweating, he sees his life and his lexus flashing by him. No job here, no nice cars. We need to vote next opportunity to get multiple bids for any and all projects done here at whispering hills. Its the only solution to a growing problem.
The reason why board members or people of influence do not blog on here anymore is they are tired of being criticized from the people who blog on here.
Those anonymous people don;t contribute to the well being of this place. Their only goal in life is ridicule and cause havoic.
Those anonymous people do not have a backbone. They are lazy, tired and selfish people who think the world owes them something.
You just posted as anonymous, apparently you do not have a backbone. You are lazy, tired and selfish and think the world owes YOU something. These are your words, not mine.
Apparently if "people of influence" were doing their job correctly, the tone would be completely different. You said "people of influence". You make it sound like these people have some sort of great political influence. We need a management company, professionals who can maintain and communicate in a professional manner. Not a bunch ya hooligans who like to throw their position in the community around like they are are the president of the united stated, give me a break. We need a change, out with the old, in with the new! The community clearly needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and the only way to do this is to reinvent the wheel. Can anyone give us a firm answer as to why we aren't looking into professional management? Trickortreating with my son yesterday was a real eyeopener. The complex is falling apart, people are making their own rules. There's no consistency, everyone does what they want. When was the last time the entire complex was walked by the so called influential people? Maybe they are too consumed with being influential that they forgot they have a job to do.
Again...just because you do a good job doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you have the best price doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you live here doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you do good work doesn't mean you get all the work.
Again, you skirt the real issues. (just like Carole and all the other board members)
Great post! Whoever wrote this hit the nail right on the head.
· 2301 to 2324 · 2501 to 2524 · 2601 to 2612 · 2701 to 2724 · 2801 to 2824 · 3301 to 3324 · 3401 to 3424 If you live in any of the units in the range of unit numbers listed above you live in Condo 2 If you live in Condo 2 I am a Condo 2 Board Carole Condo 2
Hey Jan...you DO need to answer to people like us.
I am the chick that allows you to put a KEY in a Lexus every morning. I am the chick that allowes you to buy $100,000 in tools. I am the reason you EAT every night. I am your boss.
Thought you weren't coming back....LOL. Just goes to show that you CAN'T stop reading.
You know why you can't stop reading.
YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT "YOUR" (THAT'S ME) BOSS IS SAYING ABOUT YOU.
YOU CAN'T HIDE LIKE ALL THE OTHER CONTRACTORS...YOU KNOW WHY?
Just curious, does anyone know if anyone famous ever lived here in Whispering Hills? I think I saw the guy who played Cannon in the seventies walking a German shepherd dog!
I would run for a condo seat but its just against my principles to be a dirty greedy bribe taking under the table scummer! That being said I have full confidence in our board members and they are doing a honest, honorable, and confident job! As far as Jan is concerned I do not know her.
Reading the posts from the last few days It's becoming clear that something is not right here with the way the complex is run. It's very upsetting to see that only 1 person on the condo board is interested in the betterment of Whispering Hills. All the rest are on a power trip and need to take a step back and realize that everything is not ok and that we seriously need either new people in there or professionals.
Let me take this opportunity to give you a full list of all the things my company can do for you while your having fun slandering my name.
My company name is J.P. Contracting and besides from painting, building decks, patios, cement work, pavers, front doors, storm doors, tiling, wood flooring, installing ceiling fans, windows, sinks, drains, kitchens, and bathrooms I can also take out your cable when Dig Safely fron New York marks the lines wrong.
I also have a front end loader and dump truck to assist the people of Whispering Hills. With these tools I can take your trash to the Orange County Landfill for the price of $ 35.00 dollars plus you pay for the cost of dumping. If you have large bulky items that can be dumped in the Whispering Hills dumpsters on the top of the hill; we will assist you for nothing but you have to call me to me arrangements for nothing. We do not carry itmes downstairs; all items have to be ready for dumping and in your garage. If you want to plant a tree or garding work I have a backhoe. The cost a planting a tree is 25.00 dollars. Of course all these items have to be in complience with Whispering Hills office. If you need mulch top soil etc. I can pick that up for you too. You want something pick up at Home Depot or Lowes we can do that too. There is a charge of course my vehicles do not run on love alone and I have very large monthly expenses.
If you need help with the stock market I can help you there too. Oh by the way maybe I should open a management company.
You should take advantage of lifes opportunity and call me.
Jan Plotczyk 845-781-0695
We offer a large variety of services. If you would like us to install new garage doors for you give us a call.
To the person that wrote this - The complex is falling apart; people are making their own rules. There's no consistency, everyone does what he or she want. Specific information regarding your concerns would be greatly appreciated What did you see? Where did you see it? Describe the infraction/ problem/concern - Please give examples of specific matters of concern. We cannot help if we do not know the when (which you did tell us), the what and where Thanks Carole Condo 2
How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks?
How about the Chinese people that live over in the 4000 section that makes this whole place look like a slum? Wires hanging from window to window? They have cut up boxes over the inside of the windows?
How about the dumpsters that the landscappers damaged last year that have STILL never been repaired? Still waiting for an answer on that. WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD THEM PAY FOR REPAIRS?
How about the sloaping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages?
Unfortunately for those people that have dirty mattresses on their balconies there is nothing the board can do as they are not really in any violations except being pigs.
Neighbors and people living around then should speak up.
You must live in a fantasy land. Carole Condo 2 Response
While we do not share the same philosophy regarding the way we do business you and I have more than where we live in common. I know that you care; you put some healthy impassioned energy behind your assertions and I care too. Your energy will serve the community well once put behind a cause that you feel is important and followed through upon. Lets find a common specific single cause of real interest to the community and work together to address it. You will feel less frustrated when you see change and who better than you to make it happen. Your spending your personal time now anyway - you just aren’t effective now because you are taking an approach that involves slander, contempt and hostility and have failed to follow through with research to gather facts, work to develop a plan and a proposed outcome which can be communicated to other members who really want to help as well. I understand that you feel that the handful of people who have actually committed themselves to community stewardship haven’t performed to your standards – I’ve read your posts and realize that you think that others feel the same way. Please realize that your assertions will never create the outcome of change that you want and will continue to be ineffective as long as you fail to follow through by proposing solutions. Let me remind you that you need to do this for yourself; no one is going to do it for you. This is a call to lead by example.
I respect you for your efforts even though your approach to change and mine differ. I would be happy to help you with any project that you and I mutually feel needs attention but please trust that you need to do your part of the job – if you set up a list of goals and post them I will review and will let you know which cause I would like to help you with. Together we can chart a course that includes PROCESS and determination of a desired OUTCOME. I prefer to work toward the common good without hostility. PEACE Carole Condo 2
Regarding Orange County New York licensing requirements for contractors. It appears that OC adopted a licensing requirement for Electricians in 2007 - There has been coverage regarding enforcement recently in the newpaper This requirement appears on the NYS licensing website. This is list of professions that require licenses in the State of NY Licensed Professions and Occupations:
License applications, exams, and publications (law booklets) are now available for the professions listed below: Apartment Information Vendor and Sharing Agent
Real Estate Professionals Security or Fire Alarm Installer Security Guard Telemarketer Business
Ticket Reseller Watch, Guard, or Patrol Agencies
In New York Contractor's Licenses are Issued at the local level.
There is no reference to licensing requirements for contractors in Orange County NY unless they work direclty with asbestos, lead paint or nuclear reactors.
I checked New York State Govt sites and our Orange County site as well as a couple of Contractors licensing sites and this is what I found.
Contractor Licenses are obtained at the local level in New York State. This means that State requirements do not exist for public or private construction work. Please contact your county or city's division of licensing services for more information
New York NYS Department of State Division of Corporations 41 State Street Albany, NY 12231 518-473-2492 http://www.dos.state.ny.us/
State license is required for Asbestos Abatement. All other licensing is done at the local level.
If this information does not appear to you to be correct or you are aware of requirements that I am not aware of please share.
"How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks? How about the sloaping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages?"
Anonymous said... How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks? Carole Condo 2 – I will take a look at it and will check our records to find out what the residents rights are. Unfortunately what people do in their private space areas isn’t as strictly governed as some would like. We can send a letter noting that other residents would appreciate it if the mattresses, which are unsightly, were removed and we can offer a low cost service to handle the removal – either our maintenance guys or Jan who performs these kinds of services for a small fee. We cannot force anyone to do anything that they do not want to do if what they are doing is within their rights.
How about the people that live over in the 4000 section that makes this whole place look like a slum? Wires hanging from window to window? They have cut up boxes over the inside of the windows? Carole Condo 2 – Please provide a specific address so that this can be reviewed and addressed – sounds strange???? Might be more of the same as above which is very unfortuneate for all of us.
How about the dumpsters that the landscapers damaged last year that have STILL never been repaired? Still waiting for an answer on that. WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD THEM PAY FOR REPAIRS? Carole Condo 2 – I attended an HOA meeting about two months ago (it wasn’t an open meeting I went as a member of the Condo 2 Board) the matter was discussed in some detail and the consensus amoung board members of HOA was that that the landscaping company would be held accountable for damage to the garbage huts. There are at least two other issues related that are of concern that go to the wear and tear on the buildings and related unforeseen damages that have been caused. These were not discussed in that meeting, I found out about these when walking the property one day about a month ago. These include some routine damage to the doors where they mount to the frame – dumpsters sometimes bump up to the door jams and because they are so heavy they can knock the doors off of the hinge, bend the hinges and damage the doors. We have experimented with a design fix that involves mounting another piece of wood that the hinges get attached to which adds a modular element to the design and makes replace/repair of hinges and related door slats easier and more cost efficient. Unfortunately some (minor) damages are inevitable in the course of normal wear and tear – we aren’t talking blatant negligence here we are talking norm course damage/ wear and tear. We have also found that wind can get up under the roof and lift it. Some reinforcements have been added in the form of additional wood supports mounted in the interior of the roof where the roof meets the frame to strengthen that support. We will find out at the end of this winter season how well that works for us. This is all in the Condo 2 area, I am not sure of the specifics anywhere else. At the end of the winter we will know if what we have done has helped both in addressing damage concerns to the plow company and in making structural enhancements to make the huts work better for us. It makes sense to repair each unit in need of repair all at once and to readdressed the matter in the spring. I do know that there is some siding in stock to make aesthetic repairs to the outsides of the units as well. Regarding damages made by plows – these include the damages to the siding on the huts resulting from having snow and ice pushed up and piled high. The force of the plow and the weight of the snow and ice caused damage to some huts last season. Plows also destroyed some of our curbs in some areas – both of these matters were taken up by HOA, as prior noted I will check and see how costs have been addressed - I believe that we are being credited for the repair costs.
How about the sloping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages? Carole Condo 2 – Please provide the addresses of the garages that flood. I have not been presented with any requests regarding this matter and you would think that this would have come up at a Condo 2 meeting or through HOA which would advise the Condo 2 board sicne this would be a Condo 2 issue. I think that some of our residents don’t know where to go with their concerns or just put up with things that just don’t seem to change. If you get the unit numbers I will do whatever I can to be of help. I see that you attribute the problem to a sloping driveway and that might be the case. We need to be sure of where the problem starts and to do this we need to find out whether this is a drainage issue related to run off from the roof (gutters/leaders), a problem with the pitch of the driveway, or a drain in the area that might need work - need to know which driveways and which garages. It could be a combination of these elements.
These are just a FEW I would like answers to.
Carole Condo 2 – I would like to find viable resolutions with your help. Please provide the requested information so that we can work through this and let me know what else you have in mind.
Thank you Carole, your rebuttals are greatly appreciated. I'm really pleased we are finally getting some closure on some of the important topics raised here.
You really should consider running for complex President. You have a positive outlook and seem very interested in improving health of the community. Looking forward to more of your posts.
Do you guys walk the complex regularly? I have to tell you, when I was out on halloween with my kids I noticed a lot of debris on patios. I'm not talking about mattresses , other things like old screen doors and garbage. Since we must conform with other standards and get fined if we don't, why are these people not getting fined for the stuff piled up on their porch? I cant give you specific unit numbers because like I said, I was all over the complex. The reason why I asked if you guys walk the complex is to find out if you see the same things.
Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project. Since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the "responsibility" of the homeowners. Further, I have never seen a landscaping representative evaluating the performance of their crew. (Frankly, with the landscaping, the goal appears to be speed--not quality.)
That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not pemitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
I work from my house a lot, my office faces the road and I must agree with Dads8t2 that I've never seen ANYONE ever walk the premises. Once in a while I see them inspect work such as tree installation but that's about it.
Where the heck does all that money go? That's an awful amount of money going to landscaping and snow removal. I guess garbage, water, staff take up the rest. (Obviously joking)
Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. I thought they addressed that problem on newer fences with the fence guards. They were installed because of this blog. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate.
Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
dads8t2 said... Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project. That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not permitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
Carole Condo 2 Response – HOA Board Members mange our day-to-day community operations and programs and community special projects – they do not typically routinely review the property unless they have a reason to do so. Condo Board Members focus on their local area within the community and interact with neighbors who voice concerns. As a member of the Condo 2 Board I have walked the property many times and for a variety of reasons. First to introduce myself, occasionally on weekend days to talk to anyone willing to talk to me about his or her concerns. I walk in advance of executing a special work order (an example would be remedial concrete work to correct a raised sidewalk in one area and the end of set of steps in another area) to review the area and to discuss the work order plan and I have walked the same area after the work is completed to check things out. A couple of Saturdays were spent inventorying work performed on decks and patios to date and to plan the next phase of work. (We spent this past season with patios that had obvious structural issues as our priority for service first then addressed oldest first – some decks had been worked on intermittently so they did not need to be addressed as part of the priority group.) I have also walked to troubleshoot problems checking roofs and leaders/gutters and notifying HOA if something isn’t as it should be – minor things get corrected routinely. John, our Condo 2 President also walks the area routinely and goes over the day to day with HOA. Again this is Condo 2. I have visited specific properties where individual owners had concerns that needed to be addressed – these included sitting the need to power wash some buildings that had dried egg on them, checked the weed growth at one property that had gotten out of hand. I am going to check on the matter of the mattress and whether we can legitimately use our patio and deck areas for storage of items that are not outdoor items and will let you know what I find. The point is that local area inspections on a routine basis would be the work of the Condo Group Board more than the HOA unless the matter of concern was an HOA matter in which case an HOA member would come out as needed.
Anonymous said... Come Pat and Dad.... $2,268,000 per year to maintain WH
Carole Condo 2 Response Feel free to exercise your right to public information. HOA will provide budget related information as public information you are entitled to view upon request.
Anonymous said... I am still waiting for ANYONE to tell me why we allowed the Landscapers/Plowers to destroy our dumpster surrounds without fixing them
Carole Condo 2 Response We haven’t allowed this, it has happened and HOA is aware and is taking care of it – I offered to find out more and when I do I will share the info. I agree that when the garbage huts look bad the entire community looks bad.
Anonymous said... Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Carole Condo 2 Response Jeff has been a great asset to the community; he has since sold his unit in Condo 2 and still lives in the community. Jeff decided not to hold a seat on the board this year – he is planning a move. Jeff – come back we need you.
November 04, 2008 dads8t2 said... Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate. November 04, 2008 Anonymous said... Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
Carole Condo 2 Response I think this would be great – I think that members of the Condo Group community would be the best delegates. My suggested outline would look like this - Work with each Condo Group Board to gain their support (Carole Condo 2 , CONDO 3 – Danielle, Condo 4 Bill , Condo 1 Gene) - Condo Board sends an invitation to all homes in the group to make members aware of the program and to ask members to be involved. - The responses come back to the Condo Group Board and are disseminated, members are then contacted and a schedule for action is established with property inspections once a week or as we can,et. - Volunteers would then schedule their time to get out and inspect the grounds and provide a report. ( we can make up an outline for use with unit number and area for date and notes so that we can follow up.) - Findings would be given to the Condo Group Board and sorted out to distinguish concerns that need discussion with the rest of our Group community, concerns that need to be addressed to HOA and items that need immediate work orders, which the Condo Group Board can manage with out need of HOA assistance. - Each Condo Group Board should consider an open meeting schedule that would accommodate meeting(s) in support of the program so that interested members can be a part of the process and really make a difference.
Let me know if I can help – if Condo 2 members want to do this I am all for it. I would also be happy to work with Board Members from the other Condo Groups. November 04, 2008 dads8t2 said... Anonymous:
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
Carole Condo 2 Response It’s great to know that you are willing to help; I would be happy to work with you.
dads8t2 said... Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project. That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not permitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
Carole Condo 2 Response – HOA Board Members mange our day-to-day community operations and programs and community special projects – they do not typically routinely review the property unless they have a reason to do so. Condo Board Members focus on their local area within the community and interact with neighbors who voice concerns. As a member of the Condo 2 Board I have walked the property many times and for a variety of reasons. First to introduce myself, occasionally on weekend days to talk to anyone willing to talk to me about his or her concerns. I walk in advance of executing a special work order (an example would be remedial concrete work to correct a raised sidewalk in one area and the end of set of steps in another area) to review the area and to discuss the work order plan and I have walked the same area after the work is completed to check things out. A couple of Saturdays were spent inventorying work performed on decks and patios to date and to plan the next phase of work. (We spent this past season with patios that had obvious structural issues as our priority for service first then addressed oldest first – some decks had been worked on intermittently so they did not need to be addressed as part of the priority group.) I have also walked to troubleshoot problems checking roofs and leaders/gutters and notifying HOA if something isn’t as it should be – minor things get corrected routinely. John, our Condo 2 President also walks the area routinely and goes over the day to day with HOA. Again this is Condo 2. I have visited specific properties where individual owners had concerns that needed to be addressed – these included sitting the need to power wash some buildings that had dried egg on them, checked the weed growth at one property that had gotten out of hand. I am going to check on the matter of the mattress and whether we can legitimately use our patio and deck areas for storage of items that are not outdoor items and will let you know what I find. The point is that local area inspections on a routine basis would be the work of the Condo Group Board more than the HOA unless the matter of concern was an HOA matter in which case an HOA member would come out as needed.
Anonymous said... Come Pat and Dad.... $2,268,000 per year to maintain WH
Carole Condo 2 Response Feel free to exercise your right to public information. HOA will provide budget related information as public information you are entitled to view upon request.
Anonymous said... I am still waiting for ANYONE to tell me why we allowed the Landscapers/Plowers to destroy our dumpster surrounds without fixing them
Carole Condo 2 Response We haven’t allowed this, it has happened and HOA is aware and is taking care of it – I offered to find out more and when I do I will share the info. I agree that when the garbage huts look bad the entire community looks bad.
Anonymous said... Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Carole Condo 2 Response Jeff has been a great asset to the community; he has since sold his unit in Condo 2 and still lives in the community. Jeff decided not to hold a seat on the board this year – he is planning a move. Jeff – come back we need you.
November 04, 2008 dads8t2 said... Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate. November 04, 2008 Anonymous said... Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
Carole Condo 2 Response I think this would be great – I think that members of the Condo Group community would be the best delegates. My suggested outline would look like this - Work with each Condo Group Board to gain their support (Carole Condo 2 , CONDO 3 – Danielle, Condo 4 Bill , Condo 1 Gene) - Condo Board sends an invitation to all homes in the group to make members aware of the program and to ask members to be involved. - The responses come back to the Condo Group Board and are disseminated, members are then contacted and a schedule for action is established with property inspections once a week or as we can,et. - Volunteers would then schedule their time to get out and inspect the grounds and provide a report. ( we can make up an outline for use with unit number and area for date and notes so that we can follow up.) - Findings would be given to the Condo Group Board and sorted out to distinguish concerns that need discussion with the rest of our Group community, concerns that need to be addressed to HOA and items that need immediate work orders, which the Condo Group Board can manage with out need of HOA assistance. - Each Condo Group Board should consider an open meeting schedule that would accommodate meeting(s) in support of the program so that interested members can be a part of the process and really make a difference.
Let me know if I can help – if Condo 2 members want to do this I am all for it. I would also be happy to work with Board Members from the other Condo Groups. November 04, 2008 dads8t2 said... Anonymous:
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
Carole Condo 2 Response It’s great to know that you are willing to help; I would be happy to work with you.
Another informative post Carole. I really feel like you have covered some major concerns and if there is follow through, the attitudes here will shift. I already feel better after reading your posts.
Does Whispering Hills have any famous people living in it? The other day I swear I saw the guy who played "Cannon" on TV in the seventies walking a German shepherd dog!
I'll be honest that waiting a year OR years to fix something and to wait for residents to DEMAND answers is not the best way to handle fixing things. Doesn't give the residents confidence about how the rest of the community is handled.
But I will be the fist to admit you have done an excellent job of calming me down...FOR NOW :0)
You need to TRAIN the board members to treat the residents with as much respect inthe actual meetings and you will actually get people to come.
I agree, there is a significant improvement in the way Carole is approaching the topics raised. Rather than taking a defensive posture, she is supplying answers and providing solutions. I seriously think we need someone with her attitude, fore site and communication skills to represent Whispering Hills.
Carole, Is there any chance of you taking the plunge to take crabby, abrasive, thickheaded, rude, Gene's position?
and why is it the same people are in there every year. Don't feed me a line of crap and tell me that they are the only ones interested in taking the positions.
If this is the case, we need to investigate into a management company.
I'm new to the complex. How does the voting system work to vote for new Board Members? Anyone know the voting rules? Are ballets sent home or do we go somewhere to vote? As the other post asks, who counts the votes?
Direct character assassinations describing board members and other members of our community perpetuate the problem of stifled communication. This is very damaging to our community. I respect everyone’s feelings and everyone’s freedom of speech. Negative and hostile language is not helpful on any level to this community. We need to treat each other with respect to open the lines of communication. We need to work together to improve this community on every level. Be part of the solution – Carole Condo 2
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Just because you post something here does not mean that Gene, Eugene, John, William and Pat have to respond. Most of the times when you post about people on this web site you beat them down. Let me be the first to say that Gene Wetzel is a nice man and not a grumpy old man like you think.
I know every inch of the property of Whispering Hills and am around the complex daily. Fact is that Whispering Hills has improved greatly since the time when I bought here back in 1986.
I agree with you that we can always improve. I agree with you that the dumpster needs repair but you should have seen them back in 1986.
There are homeowners out there that leave tires, barbque grills, old hoses, beer cans, tires, wood, and kids toys under the decks or by their patio that need to be cleaned up. I have personally met people who have moved in and when I ask them to move their belongings so I can build a deck their answer is that this stuff has been there since I move in. Meaning the old homeowner has left that there. If you need something moved that is reasonable I have already said that I will help you at no charge.
I live in this community too and whats good for you is good for me.
You always get more by being nice. Since when have you ever help someone by knocking them.
There are homeowners out there that leave tires, barbque grills, old hoses, beer cans, tires, wood, and kids toys under the decks or by their patio that need to be cleaned up. I have personally met people who have moved in and when I ask them to move their belongings so I can build a deck their answer is that this stuff has been there since I move in. Meaning the old homeowner has left that there.
Why are these people not being fined? It makes the complex look junkie. Also, if there aren't written laws pertaining to "garbage" spewed all over the place, cant we add condo rules and regulations to what we already have?
What are you complaining about carole, I had a few run ins with Gene. I do not like the man nor do I care for the way he runs Whispering Hills. Boss, why did you erase my post? I thought this boards purpose is to express opinions? Jan, nice way to kiss up. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?
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A large part of the problem are some of the folks that live in this complex! The board can do only so much. And to address a previous post, WH has NEVER looked better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect to the way WH "looks" . . . why is it that foreclosed/abandoned properties are not given even minimal outside maintenance? Let's face it, the landscaping we receive is really just lawn mowing and occasional edging--the "landscaped" residences are the obvious result of enthusiastic/proud homeowners. But why is it that the maintenance or landscaping service is not responsible for neatening up residences that look like a potential poster for suburban blight? Here's one example: 1414.
You wrote: "With respect to the way WH "looks" . . . why is it that foreclosed/abandoned properties are not given even minimal outside maintenance? Thank you for this post it raises an important issue, which will likely become more significant to us in these difficult economic times. We all need to know that HOA doesn’t typically know and is more often than not the very last to know when a property is left abandoned by a homeowner due to foreclosure or a sudden move. Some rental units where an absentee owner pays the common charges may go empty and unkept for long periods of time. In this instance HOA should be made aware to ensure that units are winterized so that neighbor units do not suffer damage. Units that are subject to bank foreclosure are even more of a problem. The bank (which is typically out of state) seizes the property, the owner is removed or just leaves and the property sits empty until it is auctioned off for sale – this can take months or even years. Estates in probate can also take a long period of time to settle during which time they remain empty. NEIGHBORS ARE OUR BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION ON THESE MATTERS. PLEASE REPORT ANY UNOCCUPIED UNITS TO HOA. FYI -One unit was foreclosed upon, lost on paper by the bank and remained unoccupied for several years before this was discovered and the property was eventually auctioned off in “as is “ condition. Fortunately in this case the unit had been winterized but that is not always the case. WHEN HOA KNOWS THAT A UNIT IS EMPTY PROPER STEPS NEED TO BE TAKEN AND WILL BE TAKEN TO TURN OFF THE WATER ( WHERE APPROPRIATE) AND WINTERIZE THE UNIT TO ENSURE THAT ADJACENT UNITS DO NOT SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF FROZEN PIPES THAT MIGHT BE THE RESULT. Further, on the financial side when a unit is abandoned and CC's aren’t being paid IF RELATED MORTGAGE COMPANY OR FINANCE COMPANY INFORMATION AND LIMITED LOAN INFORMATION WAS KEPT ON FILE BY HOA HOA CAN THEN contact the bank/finance company swiftly to get on the list of debtors so that the value of CC's owed currently and with interest can be included in the bankruptcy filing or estate burden. This is the only way to recover the CC’s. In these cases there is a hierarchy of debtors, banks have primary standing since they have control of the property sale and others need to be listed in order to ever get any remuneration. The point is that the economy is difficult and people are suffering losses. The community needs to insulate itself from potential losses. Please let HOA know when a unit appears to be or is known to be empty. Agree to provide mortgage/ financial institution information for our HOA to keep on file. This would enable HOA to contact the mortgage company in the event of abandonment or death so that the property is protected and CC payments get included as part of all related claims. This would open an area of opportunity to the community to limit our losses and to potentially acquire by purchase properties that would otherwise be left empty and unattended for unforeseeable periods of time and delibitated as a consequence. I think that we should urge HOA to require all owners to provide bank mortgage contact information for the good of the community. Keep in mind that owners would be protected by the privacy laws of their banking or finance institution. The community would gain the opportunity to manage property care in the event of abandonment. No one gets hurt, no privacy laws are violated. Please share your thoughts on this – would you be willing to provide bank contact information and mortgage loan information in limited terms of loan number and terms if this were a requirement?
Getting back to the question – Would HOA act to maintain the property minimally to offset any unsightly overgrowth, and make every effort to protect the property and adjuacent properties – YES. PLEASE LET HOA KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY PROPERTY THAT IS EMPTY OR HAS BEEN ABANDONED – BE SURE TO INCLUDE UNIT # Thanks Carole Condo 2
The other day a person put in a new sliding patio door in the 4000 section. Do you know where the door ended up. It ended up in the dumpster. Do you think that the homeowner did not know they were doing wrong or do you think that the homeowner just didn't care. Aside from the fact that they filled the dumpster.
Orange County is a green county. The homeowners of Whispering Hills in the future could be charge a fee of 1,000.00 per week per dumpster if these green laws were stickly inforced. There is around 34 dumpsters in Whispering Hills that fine could be 34,000. per week.
Thank god that the garbage company turns it's back on most of this illegal dumping. How would you feel if they decided to not dump the dumpster because of illegal debrees?
These same garbage trucks occasionally hit the garbage bins because of various reasons like very expreme weight in the dumpsters and some dumpsters are on hills. They drive away but empty our dumpsters.
It's cheaper to fix the dumpster than to get in a fight with the garbage company.
It's your job as homeowners to speak up when you see someone doing wrong.
My real point is that we have about 3,500 people living in Whispring Hills. We maybe have around 2,500 people who care. The rest only care about me me me.
I agree, I've been here for 7 years and the majority of my neighbors over the years have always been close and helpful. Only a few renters were wierd but they usually departed quickly, in less than a year. Everytime I have needed help from Clubhouse personnel they have always been great. The only problems I really have with Whispering Hills is the parking. Many parj thier cars outside the garages for long periods of time making difficult to manuever. Also many cars are parked in the lots with no permits at all. And one time I had my car parked with the permit in the window and was giving a fine! Whispering Hills however is a great place with many good people. I guess more don't get involved in community activities because of time contraints with commuting to the city, kids, etc.
My area of Whispering Hills is beautiful(4000's). I've had the same residents around me for the past 10 years. People care and maintain their properties. My concern is in the other areas, particularly down in the 2000's where there seems to be more rentals and more property abuse. Whispering Hills is a very large complex, when a prospective buyer looks at a unit they group the entire complex together rather than looking at the complex broken into 4 groups. My point is that if things look bad in one area, it affects the entire complex. So the homeowner who throws trash on his porch and rents a front unit on the main road directly influences the price of my home. I don't know if it was addressed here but why are we segregated and split into 4 groups? Another question I have is why do they allow rentals here? Many other complexes discourage rental of property.
Carole: Once again, your's appears as the voice of reason. Your feedback is certainly appreciated.
However, regarding the foreclosure/abandonment issue: This partcular unit had a lock box on it for months. It has been neglected by the landscapers for months. It has been winterized, which tells me that the HOA is aware it has been vacant. (Isn't the HOA cognizant of all foreclosures?) That brings me back to my earlier comments about maintenance/HOA members not surveying the property on a regular basis. Additionally, we should not have to rely on residents--most of whom are absent during the daylight hours--to monitor the upkeep of our community.
Anonymous said... Isn't it a conflict of interest that the HOA Board Of Directors also sits on the Condo board managers?
We have HOA = Home Owners Association Board and Condo Group Boards - Condo 1, Condo 2, Condo 3 and Condo 4. Bill is on both our HOA board and our Condo 4 board and resides in Condo 4, same is true for Condo 1 where Gene or Eugene is on both HOA and Condo 1 board. Also Jeff Jones who was formerly president of Condo 2 was the HOA board as well. John Stevenson , now Condo 2 board president is on HOA Board. I am not sure about Condo 3 representation. It makes sense to me that we would have equal representation from each of our four condo groups on the HOA board and for this reason I do not interpret this as a conflict of interest- after all we are all on the same side. Thanks Carole
Getting back to a couple of inquiries 1. On the matter of unsightly storage on patios, decks and under decks. It is within your rights to request of HOA that a letter be sent to any residence with infractions as named - this is done based on complaint meaning if a resident places a complaint with HOA a letter will be sent which will include a warning and reference to a related fine.
Please get back to us with specific unit numbers and description of infraction and we will set the action in place.
2. On the subject of the dumpster huts - these are the responsibility of the various condo groups. If there is a hut in your area that needs work please contact your Condo Group Board or HOA with your request for repair. Those in Condo 2 - the hut at the end of the 2700 block is scheduled for repair this season I am awaiting related Estimate for review and will take action to have the hut repaired as soon as possible
3. As prior requested please share your thoughts on whether you would agree to provide your lender information to HOA for the file Note: Emergency contact information should also be updated periodically as needed to ensure that in the event of need HOA can contact you’re designate in your unavailability or absence.
4. I have an idea and would appreciate your feedback. - I would like to start a touch stone project where members would be asked whether they would like to get a call everyday to just to say hi and where others would volunteer to make a call as needed - I would hope for one a week which would work if we get enough of members who will volunteer. This would help our seniors to feel less alone and would give residents an opportunity to get to each other a little better. If the program takes off we can get our youth involved in programs to help with services such as snow shoveling and car clear off and trip to the store, et. Any thoughts? Im thinking of doing this in Condo 2 in advance of the winter season.
To all I have notified HOA with our request for inspection of both of the units that members presented as empty with concern about appearance and proper winterizing,et 1410 and 3702 . For 1410 I indicated that residents feel that the property needs to be cleaned up - I asked for an inspection and proper action. I have requested that HOA inspect and as warranted send notice with warning of fine to the residents of 4010.
Pat, thanks for your compliment but please be aware that Gene is a great help to this community and to me in particular in that he has been amenable to do everything that I have asked him to do to support the needs of Condo 2 and others - he is actually very helpful. Gene has a real heart for the community and for our residents and takes his responsibilities very seriously. He has worked to gain management skills by attending seminars and networks with other condo management groups to continually find new and better ways to serve the community. He is working on a very innovative project right now which I will leave it to him to bring to fore - this is a great guy, Gene does a lot of good. Please consider, Gene works everyday for the betterment of this community. Thanks Carole
YOU WROTE: Anonymous said... My concern is in the other areas, particularly down in the 2000's where there seems to be more rentals and more property abuse.
Please provide specific unit numbers so that we can understand better what you are referring to here. There are lots of 2000's - where do you find the general ambiance and look of the area to be so run down?
YOU WROTE: So the homeowner who throws trash on his porch and rents a front unit on the main road directly influences the price of my home.
Please advise unit number.
YOU WROTE: Why are we segregated and split into 4 groups? Carole Condo 2 Response: The community was built in phases, each phase was set up as its own corporation - there are four phases and four corporation but we are not segregated all of our common business is managed by the same HOA with representation from each of the Condo Group corporations. You wrote: Why do they allow rentals here? Carole Condo 2 Response: This is in our charter and makes our units more salable as investment property. This could come in very handy in difficult economic times - Example if an owner resident changes jobs at a time when the market is low and they bought their unit at a time when the market was high they are not forced to sell the unit if they can no longer live in it because they need to relocate for their job. They can rent the unit and wait for the pricing to increase again before selling or rent for a while to recover their loss in value and then sell without taking a loss.
4. I have an idea and would appreciate your feedback. - I would like to start a touch stone project where members would be asked whether they would like to get a call everyday to just to say hi and where others would volunteer to make a call as needed - I would hope for one a week which would work if we get enough of members who will volunteer. This would help our seniors to feel less alone and would give residents an opportunity to get to each other a little better. If the program takes off we can get our youth involved in programs to help with services such as snow shoveling and car clear off and trip to the store, et. Any thoughts? Im thinking of doing this in Condo 2 in advance of the winter season.
Great idea Carole, is there any way I can get my 4h Club to take part in your idea. These are children that range from the age of 5-10 yrs old.
BTW thank you for your extremely informative posts.
As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8%.
But since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.
This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did.
I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem.
What are the rules on parking? There is this is this one guy with a white pick up that parks by 3908 almost everyday for hours. I am ok if the guy is unloading stuff but its always there?
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I started back in 1993 working for condo one. I did a good job, so condo2 and three hired me to do the same for them. I've built all the decks and patio's and I don't think there is anyone who can build a better deck.
There was an other contractor who built some decks in here and they don't compare or match the decks and patio's we build.
I have established a good working relationship with board memebers and if there is any problems we repair them immediately.
Condo 4 got several bids and then hired the most expensive bid. What does that tell you?
Since when do you get rid of someone doing a good job and good work?
You look at everything negatively and never consider the positives of having someone with as much knowledge of Whispering Hills so close at hand.
If you had an emergency who are you going to call when you sewer or hot water tank is spilling all over the place at 9pm at night. Do you need three bids then. You need to get real.
This is all I am going to say. I will not be posting here anymore. I do not need to answer to anyone who uses anonymous.
I agree, we need a maintenance company. There is too much drama around here ..
Put out the bids and let the chips fall where they may.
.. if not, then send me some aspirin because you guys give me a headache
When did anonymous become a "WE" ????? Scary thought The Great Multiple Anonymous. Was this just for Halloween or are you actually multiplying????
For the record, I enjoy what I do and while I do see that there are many great things about WH I realize that there is a lot opportunity to be helpful and make things better. As far as I am concerned all comments and criticisms that are presented respectfully and factually are welcome - even when aimed at my lame attempts at satire which apparently dropped like a rock on the sensative big toe of the Great Multiple Anonymous
Carole Condo 2
Carole Condo 2 said...
Regarding Jan -
I welcome this opportunity to thank Jan publicly for his hard work and efforts in support of Condo 2 this season. When others are sleeping or just hanging out on the weekend Jan is out Saturday/ Sunday and every day of the week getting things done.
By the way decks built on Sunday cost the same as Decks built on Monday. Working together we kept Condo 2 Special Projects (deck/patio) on budget and we paced the work to keep our cash flow in check. Our decks and patios look great and we look forward to getting into the more complex areas with retaining walls next season. Acting with patience and understanding Jan put in a final few decks as the season drew to a close getting the most out of the season.
For everyone's information - Jan is a guy that responds with helpfulness when called upon at all hours of day or night to address community needs. He responds to emergency calls routinely when individual homeowners need immediate assistance. Jan also will refer other reputable resources when it makes sense to do so for the good of the community.
Jan needs no defense from Anonymous or anyone else.
Jan does deserve the recognition that he has earned for jobs well done – Carole Condo 2
like i said will the real boss please stand up.
Carole Condo 2 said...
Again you are the bosses - the community is the boss. The issue for you is to address is how to get others involved to develop involvement of the majority of our members then to develop a consensus on what the most important issues to the community are then to prioritize concerns. Then to set goals of the community.
Then to develop an action plan.
-Goal
-Process
-Outcome
The effort needs to begin with neighbors talking productively to neighbors.
Let the finger pointing be your start but see it for what it is an acclamation - It says look at this - but that is all that it says and it effectuates no change but done repeatedly it perpetuates itself and goes nowhere.
To make positive change we need to say more than look at this, we need to say more than " we need change". The process needs to include
-Goal
-Process
-Outcome
How can we work together to develop a process plan? How do we bridge the gap between the us and them - we are all us and we are all them.
Is everyone willing to work together? If yes lets make that the goal.
Let this be the first step of the process, lets write the rest of the process together. Let the outcome be communication without hostility - we can build a true community from there.
I will do what I can to help - your thoughts ?
Thanks
Carole Condo 2
Carole Condo 2 said...
Bosshttps://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=2840421809822536190&blogID=3452284106231003595&isPopup=false&page=2 -
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Thanks
Carole,
You must live in a fantasy land.
Jan,
Again...just because you do a good job doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you have the best price doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you live here doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you do good work doesn't mean you get all the work.
Again, you skirt the real issues. (just like Carole and all the other board members)
So everyone...basically Jan has pretty much got ME convinced that we DON'T get 3 bids on all the work because he has been here since 1993, does good work, can show up at the drop of a dime, and he has good prices. He has basically told us that he has created a monolopy for himself with the board and community.
I'd like to see Jan's bill after showing up at 9pm to fix something.
Hey Jan...when you cut the cable wire in the ground and caused people to not have cable for a day...did your company refund the residents for that 1 days worth of cable? I didn't get money back from you? Cabe is $100 per month....so when is you construction corporation going to refund my $3.33? Hey...buys me a gallon of milk or a dozen eggs.
Again...Jan...you failed to give us your business license number???? So do you even have one???? Are you licensed in NY?
Are you bonded? Insured? You didn't answer those questions?
If you are going to come here...you need to put up or SHUT UP.
William Calloway...where are your answers? Did you run too?
Great...he adwertises his business and then runs.
Jeff Jones...where did he go?
Seems as if they all run.
No different than the meetings.
Keep ignoring the issues. They will solve themselves.
Why do people post Anony...I will tell you.
Because of people like Jan. If he retaliates in a post I may be concerned of other types of retaliation.
When people post Anony....75% of the time you are getting raw emotions. That is what we need to hear and now we know everyone on the board and other people in politically connected positions in WH ARE reading this.
The intelligent people can filter out the BS and name calling from the real issues.
If the issues about Jan that were brought up here weren't TRUE then he would have never wasted his time answering them. AGAIN, more red flags.
A blog is just that folks...open communication...LIKE THE ISSUES OR DISCUSSIONS OR NOT. THAT is what a BLOG is for.
Typically in society guilty people usually tend to attempt to defend themselves then when they get caught the run away.
Personally...anony or not. This discussion is opening up some pretty large cans of worms.
AND for the recored Jan did a DAMN good job on my privacy fence. Actually a primo job. Still doesn't excuse US from getting 3 bids on EVERY JOB.
I'm a reasonable gal...18 years of dealing with these issues and I finally have an outlet to get stuff off my chest.
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The reason why board members or people of influence do not blog on here anymore is they are tired of being criticized from the people who blog on here.
Those anonymous people don;t contribute to the well being of this place. Their only goal in life is ridicule and cause havoic.
Those anonymous people do not have a backbone. They are lazy, tired and selfish people who think the world owes them something.
Jan's post sums up the mentality of anyone who does work for the complex. Run away from the real issues and screw whispering hills because they can!
Run Forrest run! Jan's sweating, he sees his life and his lexus flashing by him. No job here, no nice cars. We need to vote next opportunity to get multiple bids for any and all projects done here at whispering hills. Its the only solution to a growing problem.
The person who lives at 4010 should be fined. Clean up your mess by your patio. Your neighbors are tired of looking at your grap.
I'm not sweating and I am not worried about losing my Lexus.
Good people will always have a job.
I just don't think it's necessary for me to answer to a person like you.
Anonymous said...
The reason why board members or people of influence do not blog on here anymore is they are tired of being criticized from the people who blog on here.
Those anonymous people don;t contribute to the well being of this place. Their only goal in life is ridicule and cause havoic.
Those anonymous people do not have a backbone. They are lazy, tired and selfish people who think the world owes them something.
You just posted as anonymous, apparently you do not have a backbone. You are lazy, tired and selfish and think the world owes YOU something. These are your words, not mine.
Apparently if "people of influence" were doing their job correctly, the tone would be completely different. You said "people of influence". You make it sound like these people have some sort of great political influence. We need a management company, professionals who can maintain and communicate in a professional manner. Not a bunch ya hooligans who like to throw their position in the community around like they are are the president of the united stated, give me a break. We need a change, out with the old, in with the new! The community clearly needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and the only way to do this is to reinvent the wheel. Can anyone give us a firm answer as to why we aren't looking into professional management? Trickortreating with my son yesterday was a real eyeopener. The complex is falling apart, people are making their own rules. There's no consistency, everyone does what they want. When was the last time the entire complex was walked by the so called influential people? Maybe they are too consumed with being influential that they forgot they have a job to do.
Anonymous said...
Carole,
You must live in a fantasy land.
Jan,
Again...just because you do a good job doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you have the best price doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you live here doesn't mean you get all the work. Just because you do good work doesn't mean you get all the work.
Again, you skirt the real issues. (just like Carole and all the other board members)
Great post!
Whoever wrote this hit the nail right on the head.
In an effort to inform
Whispering Hills Condo II
· 2301 to 2324
· 2501 to 2524
· 2601 to 2612
· 2701 to 2724
· 2801 to 2824
· 3301 to 3324
· 3401 to 3424
If you live in any of the units in the range of unit numbers listed above you live in Condo 2
If you live in Condo 2 I am a Condo 2 Board
Carole Condo 2
Hey Jan...you DO need to answer to people like us.
I am the chick that allows you to put a KEY in a Lexus every morning. I am the chick that allowes you to buy $100,000 in tools. I am the reason you EAT every night. I am your boss.
Thought you weren't coming back....LOL. Just goes to show that you CAN'T stop reading.
You know why you can't stop reading.
YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT "YOUR" (THAT'S ME) BOSS IS SAYING ABOUT YOU.
YOU CAN'T HIDE LIKE ALL THE OTHER CONTRACTORS...YOU KNOW WHY?
YOU LIVE HERE.
I don't get it, isn't Jan a girls name but we keep calling Jan HIM?
Just curious, does anyone know if anyone famous ever lived here in Whispering Hills?
I think I saw the guy who played Cannon in the seventies walking a German shepherd dog!
Anonymous: Jan sucks and his gray can sucks too!
Jan: Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!
c.o. would like to run for the seat on condo 2 board and be a Dam good one to
I am the C.o. and I approve this Blog
I would run for a condo seat but its just against my principles to be a dirty greedy bribe taking under the table scummer!
That being said I have full confidence in our board members and they are doing a honest, honorable, and confident job!
As far as Jan is concerned I do not know her.
Reading the posts from the last few days It's becoming clear that something is not right here with the way the complex is run. It's very upsetting to see that only 1 person on the condo board is interested in the betterment of Whispering Hills. All the rest are on a power trip and need to take a step back and realize that everything is not ok and that we seriously need either new people in there or professionals.
Carole, you should take Gene's job!
Hey is it fair to ask the IRS to step in?
I would like to know if what the board is in taxes is the truth?
I am the C.O.and I Approve this MESSAGE
what there are reporting in taxes.
We all know that jan is not reporting what he really makes to the irs.
Some people who post here need to use mouthwash and the boss needs a ennima.
Let me take this opportunity to give you a full list of all the things my company can do for you while your having fun slandering my name.
My company name is J.P. Contracting and besides from painting, building decks, patios, cement work, pavers, front doors, storm doors, tiling, wood flooring, installing ceiling fans, windows, sinks, drains, kitchens, and bathrooms I can also take out your cable when Dig Safely fron New York marks the lines wrong.
I also have a front end loader and dump truck to assist the people of Whispering Hills. With these tools I can take your trash to the Orange County Landfill for the price of $ 35.00 dollars plus you pay for the cost of dumping. If you have large bulky items that can be dumped in the Whispering Hills dumpsters on the top of the hill; we will assist you for nothing but you have to call me to me arrangements for nothing. We do not carry itmes downstairs; all items have to be ready for dumping and in your garage. If you want to plant a tree or garding work I have a backhoe. The cost a planting a tree is 25.00 dollars. Of course all these items have to be in complience with Whispering Hills office. If you need mulch top soil etc. I can pick that up for you too. You want something pick up at Home Depot or Lowes we can do that too. There is a charge of course my vehicles do not run on love alone and I have very large monthly expenses.
If you need help with the stock market I can help you there too. Oh by the way maybe I should open a management company.
You should take advantage of lifes opportunity and call me.
Jan Plotczyk
845-781-0695
We offer a large variety of services. If you would like us to install new garage doors for you give us a call.
To the person that wrote this -
The complex is falling apart; people are making their own rules. There's no consistency, everyone does what he or she want.
Specific information regarding your concerns would be greatly appreciated
What did you see?
Where did you see it?
Describe the infraction/ problem/concern -
Please give examples of specific matters of concern. We cannot help if we do not know the when (which you did tell us), the what and where
Thanks
Carole Condo 2
How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks?
How about the Chinese people that live over in the 4000 section that makes this whole place look like a slum? Wires hanging from window to window? They have cut up boxes over the inside of the windows?
How about the dumpsters that the landscappers damaged last year that have STILL never been repaired? Still waiting for an answer on that. WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD THEM PAY FOR REPAIRS?
How about the sloaping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages?
These are just a FEW I would like answers to.
Unfortunately for those people that have dirty mattresses on their balconies there is nothing the board can do as they are not really in any violations except being pigs.
Neighbors and people living around then should speak up.
To the person that wrote
Carole,
You must live in a fantasy land.
Carole Condo 2 Response
While we do not share the same philosophy regarding the way we do business you and I have more than where we live in common. I know that you care; you put some healthy impassioned energy behind your assertions and I care too. Your energy will serve the community well once put behind a cause that you feel is important and followed through upon. Lets find a common specific single cause of real interest to the community and work together to address it. You will feel less frustrated when you see change and who better than you to make it happen. Your spending your personal time now anyway - you just aren’t effective now because you are taking an approach that involves slander, contempt and hostility and have failed to follow through with research to gather facts, work to develop a plan and a proposed outcome which can be communicated to other members who really want to help as well. I understand that you feel that the handful of people who have actually committed themselves to community stewardship haven’t performed to your standards – I’ve read your posts and realize that you think that others feel the same way. Please realize that your assertions will never create the outcome of change that you want and will continue to be ineffective as long as you fail to follow through by proposing solutions. Let me remind you that you need to do this for yourself; no one is going to do it for you. This is a call to lead by example.
I respect you for your efforts even though your approach to change and mine differ. I would be happy to help you with any project that you and I mutually feel needs attention but please trust that you need to do your part of the job – if you set up a list of goals and post them I will review and will let you know which cause I would like to help you with. Together we can chart a course that includes PROCESS and determination of a desired OUTCOME. I prefer to work toward the common good without hostility. PEACE
Carole Condo 2
Regarding Orange County New York licensing requirements for contractors. It appears that OC adopted a licensing requirement for Electricians in 2007 - There has been coverage regarding enforcement recently in the newpaper This requirement appears on the NYS licensing website.
This is list of professions that require licenses in the State of NY
Licensed Professions and Occupations:
License applications, exams, and publications (law booklets)
are now available for the professions listed below:
Apartment Information Vendor and Sharing Agent
Appearance Enhancement consists of:
Cosmetology
Esthetics
Nail Specialty
Natural Hair Styling
Waxing
Armored Car Carrier/ Armored Car Guard
Athlete Agent
Bail Enforcement Agent
Barbering
Bedding
Central Dispatch Facility
Coin Processor
Document Destruction Contractor
Hearing Aid Dispenser
Home Inspector
Notary Public
Pet Cemeteries
Private Investigator
Real Estate Professionals
Security or Fire Alarm Installer
Security Guard
Telemarketer Business
Ticket Reseller
Watch, Guard, or Patrol Agencies
In New York Contractor's Licenses are Issued at the local level.
There is no reference to licensing requirements for contractors in Orange County NY unless they work direclty with asbestos, lead paint or nuclear reactors.
I checked New York State Govt sites and our Orange County site as well as a couple of Contractors licensing sites and this is what I found.
Contractor Licenses are obtained at the local level in New York State. This means that State requirements do not exist for public or private construction work. Please contact your county or city's division of licensing services for more information
New York
NYS Department of State Division of Corporations
41 State Street
Albany, NY 12231
518-473-2492
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/
State license is required for Asbestos Abatement. All other licensing is done at the local level.
If this information does not appear to you to be correct or you are aware of requirements that I am not aware of please share.
Thank you
Carole Condo 2
"How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks?
How about the sloaping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages?"
THE MATRESS GOT WET WHEN IT WAS IN THE GARAGE!
jan i wish that you would just come clean about the truth.
Anonymous said...
How about the resident at 2813 that has had dirty gross mattresses sitting on her balcony for 4 weeks?
Carole Condo 2 –
I will take a look at it and will check our records to find out what the residents rights are.
Unfortunately what people do in their private space areas isn’t as strictly governed as some would like. We can send a letter noting that other residents would appreciate it if the mattresses, which are unsightly, were removed and we can offer a low cost service to handle the removal – either our maintenance guys or Jan who performs these kinds of services for a small fee. We cannot force anyone to do anything that they do not want to do if what they are doing is within their rights.
How about the people that live over in the 4000 section that makes this whole place look like a slum? Wires hanging from window to window? They have cut up boxes over the inside of the windows?
Carole Condo 2 – Please provide a specific address so that this can be reviewed and addressed – sounds strange???? Might be more of the same as above which is very unfortuneate for all of us.
How about the dumpsters that the landscapers damaged last year that have STILL never been repaired? Still waiting for an answer on that. WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD THEM PAY FOR REPAIRS?
Carole Condo 2 – I attended an HOA meeting about two months ago (it wasn’t an open meeting I went as a member of the Condo 2 Board) the matter was discussed in some detail and the consensus amoung board members of HOA was that that the landscaping company would be held accountable for damage to the garbage huts. There are at least two other issues related that are of concern that go to the wear and tear on the buildings and related unforeseen damages that have been caused. These were not discussed in that meeting, I found out about these when walking the property one day about a month ago. These include some routine damage to the doors where they mount to the frame – dumpsters sometimes bump up to the door jams and because they are so heavy they can knock the doors off of the hinge, bend the hinges and damage the doors. We have experimented with a design fix that involves mounting another piece of wood that the hinges get attached to which adds a modular element to the design and makes replace/repair of hinges and related door slats easier and more cost efficient.
Unfortunately some (minor) damages are inevitable in the course of normal wear and tear – we aren’t talking blatant negligence here we are talking norm course damage/ wear and tear. We have also found that wind can get up under the roof and lift it. Some reinforcements have been added in the form of additional wood supports mounted in the interior of the roof where the roof meets the frame to strengthen that support. We will find out at the end of this winter season how well that works for us. This is all in the Condo 2 area, I am not sure of the specifics anywhere else. At the end of the winter we will know if what we have done has helped both in addressing damage concerns to the plow company and in making structural enhancements to make the huts work better for us. It makes sense to repair each unit in need of repair all at once and to readdressed the matter in the spring. I do know that there is some siding in stock to make aesthetic repairs to the outsides of the units as well.
Regarding damages made by plows – these include the damages to the siding on the huts resulting from having snow and ice pushed up and piled high. The force of the plow and the weight of the snow and ice caused damage to some huts last season. Plows also destroyed some of our curbs in some areas – both of these matters were taken up by HOA, as prior noted I will check and see how costs have been addressed - I believe that we are being credited for the repair costs.
How about the sloping driveway in the 2800 block that dumps and floods peoples garages?
Carole Condo 2 – Please provide the addresses of the garages that flood. I have not been presented with any requests regarding this matter and you would think that this would have come up at a Condo 2 meeting or through HOA which would advise the Condo 2 board sicne this would be a Condo 2 issue. I think that some of our residents don’t know where to go with their concerns or just put up with things that just don’t seem to change.
If you get the unit numbers I will do whatever I can to be of help.
I see that you attribute the problem to a sloping driveway and that might be the case.
We need to be sure of where the problem starts and to do this we need to find out whether this is a drainage issue related to run off from the roof (gutters/leaders), a problem with the pitch of the driveway, or a drain in the area that might need work - need to know which driveways and which garages. It could be a combination of these elements.
These are just a FEW I would like answers to.
Carole Condo 2 – I would like to find viable resolutions with your help. Please provide the requested information so that we can work through this and let me know what else you have in mind.
Thanks for your help. Carole Condo 2
Thank you Carole, your rebuttals are greatly appreciated. I'm really pleased we are finally getting some closure on some of the important topics raised here.
You really should consider running for complex President. You have a positive outlook and seem very interested in improving health of the community. Looking forward to more of your posts.
K
What do you want jan to come clean with?
The truth about what?
Carole,
Do you guys walk the complex regularly? I have to tell you, when I was out on halloween with my kids I noticed a lot of debris on patios. I'm not talking about mattresses , other things like old screen doors and garbage. Since we must conform with other standards and get fined if we don't, why are these people not getting fined for the stuff piled up on their porch? I cant give you specific unit numbers because like I said, I was all over the complex. The reason why I asked if you guys walk the complex is to find out if you see the same things.
Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project. Since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the "responsibility" of the homeowners. Further, I have never seen a landscaping representative evaluating the performance of their crew. (Frankly, with the landscaping, the goal appears to be speed--not quality.)
That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not pemitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
I work from my house a lot, my office faces the road and I must agree with Dads8t2 that I've never seen ANYONE ever walk the premises. Once in a while I see them inspect work such as tree installation but that's about it.
McCain/Palin 08
Come Pat and Dad....
Carole says everything is PERFECT !!!
SO....it must be PERFECT !!!
We are all a bunch of whiney residents that pay $2,268,000 per year to maintain HEAVEN ON EARTH !
LOL.
I am still waiting for ANYONE to tell me why we allowed the Landscapers/Plowers to destroy our dumpster surrounds without fixing them 11 months ago?
PLEASE...SOMEONE ANSWER ME.
PLEASE...SOMEONE ANSWER ME.
PLEASE...SOMEONE ANSWER ME.
PLEASE...SOMEONE ANSWER ME.
PLEASE...SOMEONE ANSWER ME.
Jan,
How much would you charge to fix the broken/punctured wood and re-side the dumpster house?
Why do we allow the landscapers to weed whack the corners to hell?
They have completely destroyed the dumpster houses. Personally when they look like hell....the entire community looks like hell.
Anyone agree?
Where the heck does all that money go? That's an awful amount of money going to landscaping and snow removal. I guess garbage, water, staff take up the rest. (Obviously joking)
Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. I thought they addressed that problem on newer fences with the fence guards. They were installed because of this blog. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate.
Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
Anonymous:
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
If u have any pictuers and would like to post them by all means post them.
I am the C.O. and I approve this message
dads8t2 said...
Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project.
That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not permitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
Carole Condo 2 Response –
HOA Board Members mange our day-to-day community operations and programs and community special projects – they do not typically routinely review the property unless they have a reason to do so. Condo Board Members focus on their local area within the community and interact with neighbors who voice concerns. As a member of the Condo 2 Board I have walked the property many times and for a variety of reasons. First to introduce myself, occasionally on weekend days to talk to anyone willing to talk to me about his or her concerns.
I walk in advance of executing a special work order (an example would be remedial concrete work to correct a raised sidewalk in one area and the end of set of steps in another area) to review the area and to discuss the work order plan and I have walked the same area after the work is completed to check things out. A couple of Saturdays were spent inventorying work performed on decks and patios to date and to plan the next phase of work.
(We spent this past season with patios that had obvious structural issues as our priority for service first then addressed oldest first – some decks had been worked on intermittently so they did not need to be addressed as part of the priority group.) I have also walked to troubleshoot problems checking roofs and leaders/gutters and notifying HOA if something isn’t as it should be – minor things get corrected routinely. John, our Condo 2 President also walks the area routinely and goes over the day to day with HOA. Again this is Condo 2.
I have visited specific properties where individual owners had concerns that needed to be addressed – these included sitting the need to power wash some buildings that had dried egg on them, checked the weed growth at one property that had gotten out of hand.
I am going to check on the matter of the mattress and whether we can legitimately use our patio and deck areas for storage of items that are not outdoor items and will let you know what I find.
The point is that local area inspections on a routine basis would be the work of the Condo Group Board more than the HOA unless the matter of concern was an HOA matter in which case an HOA member would come out as needed.
Anonymous said...
Come Pat and Dad....
$2,268,000 per year to maintain WH
Carole Condo 2 Response
Feel free to exercise your right to public information.
HOA will provide budget related information as public information you are entitled to view upon request.
Anonymous said...
I am still waiting for ANYONE to tell me why we allowed the Landscapers/Plowers to destroy our dumpster surrounds without fixing them
Carole Condo 2 Response
We haven’t allowed this, it has happened and HOA is aware and is taking care of it – I offered to find out more and when I do I will share the info. I agree that when the garbage huts look bad the entire community looks bad.
Anonymous said...
Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Carole Condo 2 Response
Jeff has been a great asset to the community; he has since sold his unit in Condo 2 and still lives in the community. Jeff decided not to hold a seat on the board this year – he is planning a move.
Jeff – come back we need you.
November 04, 2008
dads8t2 said...
Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate.
November 04, 2008
Anonymous said...
Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
Carole Condo 2 Response
I think this would be great – I think that members of the Condo Group community would be the best delegates.
My suggested outline would look like this
- Work with each Condo Group Board to gain their support (Carole Condo 2 , CONDO 3 – Danielle, Condo 4 Bill , Condo 1 Gene)
- Condo Board sends an invitation to all homes in the group to make members aware of the program and to ask members to be involved.
- The responses come back to the Condo Group Board and are disseminated, members are then contacted and a schedule for action is established with property inspections once a week or as we can,et.
- Volunteers would then schedule their time to get out and inspect the grounds and provide a report. ( we can make up an outline for use with unit number and area for date and notes so that we can follow up.)
- Findings would be given to the Condo Group Board and sorted out to distinguish concerns that need discussion with the rest of our Group community, concerns that need to be addressed to HOA and items that need immediate work orders, which the Condo Group Board can manage with out need of HOA assistance.
- Each Condo Group Board should consider an open meeting schedule that would accommodate meeting(s) in support of the program so that interested members can be a part of the process and really make a difference.
Let me know if I can help – if Condo 2 members want to do this I am all for it. I would also be happy to work with Board Members from the other Condo Groups.
November 04, 2008
dads8t2 said...
Anonymous:
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
Carole Condo 2 Response
It’s great to know that you are willing to help; I would be happy to work with you.
Thanks to everyone
Carole Condo 2
dads8t2 said...
Having been retired for a year now, I can tell you that I have never seen a WH Board member (or a member of the maintenance team) "walk the campus", so to speak--unless they were doing so in advance of a project.
That being said, how about this: (House Rule 1.12.03) "MISUSE OF COMMON AREA: Residents/Homeowners are not permitted to allow the hanging of graments, rugs, etc. from any window, balcony or building . . . or to use any of the common elements for storage purposes." Shouldn't that cover the mattresses?
Carole Condo 2 Response –
HOA Board Members mange our day-to-day community operations and programs and community special projects – they do not typically routinely review the property unless they have a reason to do so. Condo Board Members focus on their local area within the community and interact with neighbors who voice concerns. As a member of the Condo 2 Board I have walked the property many times and for a variety of reasons. First to introduce myself, occasionally on weekend days to talk to anyone willing to talk to me about his or her concerns.
I walk in advance of executing a special work order (an example would be remedial concrete work to correct a raised sidewalk in one area and the end of set of steps in another area) to review the area and to discuss the work order plan and I have walked the same area after the work is completed to check things out. A couple of Saturdays were spent inventorying work performed on decks and patios to date and to plan the next phase of work.
(We spent this past season with patios that had obvious structural issues as our priority for service first then addressed oldest first – some decks had been worked on intermittently so they did not need to be addressed as part of the priority group.) I have also walked to troubleshoot problems checking roofs and leaders/gutters and notifying HOA if something isn’t as it should be – minor things get corrected routinely. John, our Condo 2 President also walks the area routinely and goes over the day to day with HOA. Again this is Condo 2.
I have visited specific properties where individual owners had concerns that needed to be addressed – these included sitting the need to power wash some buildings that had dried egg on them, checked the weed growth at one property that had gotten out of hand.
I am going to check on the matter of the mattress and whether we can legitimately use our patio and deck areas for storage of items that are not outdoor items and will let you know what I find.
The point is that local area inspections on a routine basis would be the work of the Condo Group Board more than the HOA unless the matter of concern was an HOA matter in which case an HOA member would come out as needed.
Anonymous said...
Come Pat and Dad....
$2,268,000 per year to maintain WH
Carole Condo 2 Response
Feel free to exercise your right to public information.
HOA will provide budget related information as public information you are entitled to view upon request.
Anonymous said...
I am still waiting for ANYONE to tell me why we allowed the Landscapers/Plowers to destroy our dumpster surrounds without fixing them
Carole Condo 2 Response
We haven’t allowed this, it has happened and HOA is aware and is taking care of it – I offered to find out more and when I do I will share the info. I agree that when the garbage huts look bad the entire community looks bad.
Anonymous said...
Ya, the bottom of the fences and the garbage huts are all chewed up. Jeff Jones brought it to boards attention last year after everyone complained of the ongoing landscaping problems.
Carole Condo 2 Response
Jeff has been a great asset to the community; he has since sold his unit in Condo 2 and still lives in the community. Jeff decided not to hold a seat on the board this year – he is planning a move.
Jeff – come back we need you.
November 04, 2008
dads8t2 said...
Perhaps what I blogged earlier needs a bit of clarification. When I said," . . . since day one, identification of non-compliance and visible maintenance issues has been the 'responsibility' of the homeowners", I meant to infer that it SHOULD be the responsibility of either the Board members/Maintenance team or a delegate.
November 04, 2008
Anonymous said...
Hey look, I'll volunteer my time to walk the complex and take photos on my iphone of the offenders property and landscaping damage. I would only volunteer if there was a guarantee that HOA would take the appropriate action.
Here's a suggestion Carole, how about a Whispering Hills grounds committee?
Carole Condo 2 Response
I think this would be great – I think that members of the Condo Group community would be the best delegates.
My suggested outline would look like this
- Work with each Condo Group Board to gain their support (Carole Condo 2 , CONDO 3 – Danielle, Condo 4 Bill , Condo 1 Gene)
- Condo Board sends an invitation to all homes in the group to make members aware of the program and to ask members to be involved.
- The responses come back to the Condo Group Board and are disseminated, members are then contacted and a schedule for action is established with property inspections once a week or as we can,et.
- Volunteers would then schedule their time to get out and inspect the grounds and provide a report. ( we can make up an outline for use with unit number and area for date and notes so that we can follow up.)
- Findings would be given to the Condo Group Board and sorted out to distinguish concerns that need discussion with the rest of our Group community, concerns that need to be addressed to HOA and items that need immediate work orders, which the Condo Group Board can manage with out need of HOA assistance.
- Each Condo Group Board should consider an open meeting schedule that would accommodate meeting(s) in support of the program so that interested members can be a part of the process and really make a difference.
Let me know if I can help – if Condo 2 members want to do this I am all for it. I would also be happy to work with Board Members from the other Condo Groups.
November 04, 2008
dads8t2 said...
Anonymous:
just so you know . . . a number of years ago, when WH was in the market for a new landscaper, I volunteered to do the same thing--and did with the approval of the board. I was 2 days into it when I was told that the decision had been made. I promised myself I would never participate again. Some of the board members have changed, so perhaps (hopefully) you'll have better luck.
Carole Condo 2 Response
It’s great to know that you are willing to help; I would be happy to work with you.
Thanks to everyone
Carole Condo 2
Another informative post Carole. I really feel like you have covered some major concerns and if there is follow through, the attitudes here will shift. I already feel better after reading your posts.
Does Whispering Hills have any famous people living in it? The other day I swear I saw the guy who played "Cannon" on TV in the seventies walking a German shepherd dog!
Carole,
I'll be honest that waiting a year OR years to fix something and to wait for residents to DEMAND answers is not the best way to handle fixing things. Doesn't give the residents confidence about how the rest of the community is handled.
But I will be the fist to admit you have done an excellent job of calming me down...FOR NOW :0)
You need to TRAIN the board members to treat the residents with as much respect inthe actual meetings and you will actually get people to come.
Good job.
I agree, there is a significant improvement in the way Carole is approaching the topics raised. Rather than taking a defensive posture, she is supplying answers and providing solutions. I seriously think we need someone with her attitude, fore site and communication skills to represent Whispering Hills.
Carole,
Is there any chance of you taking the plunge to take crabby, abrasive, thickheaded, rude, Gene's position?
and why is it the same people are in there every year. Don't feed me a line of crap and tell me that they are the only ones interested in taking the positions.
If this is the case, we need to investigate into a management company.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the HOA Board Of Directors also sit on the Condo board managers?
Something is wrong with this picture.
I'm new to the complex.
How does the voting system work to vote for new Board Members? Anyone know the voting rules? Are ballets sent home or do we go somewhere to vote? As the other post asks, who counts the votes?
Direct character assassinations describing board members and other members of our community perpetuate the problem of stifled communication. This is very damaging to our community. I respect everyone’s feelings and everyone’s freedom of speech. Negative and hostile language is not helpful on any level to this community. We need to treat each other with respect to open the lines of communication. We need to work together to improve this community on every level.
Be part of the solution –
Carole Condo 2
The comment was removed Carole.
This web site is not recogonized as an offical form of communication by Whispering Hills Board.
Just because you post something here does not mean that Gene, Eugene, John, William and Pat have to respond. Most of the times when you post about people on this web site you beat them down. Let me be the first to say that Gene Wetzel is a nice man and not a grumpy old man like you think.
I know every inch of the property of Whispering Hills and am around the complex daily. Fact is that Whispering Hills has improved greatly since the time when I bought here back in 1986.
I agree with you that we can always improve. I agree with you that the dumpster needs repair but you should have seen them back in 1986.
There are homeowners out there that leave tires, barbque grills, old hoses, beer cans, tires, wood, and kids toys under the decks or by their patio that need to be cleaned up. I have personally met people who have moved in and when I ask them to move their belongings so I can build a deck their answer is that this stuff has been there since I move in. Meaning the old homeowner has left that there. If you need something moved that is reasonable I have already said that I will help you at no charge.
I live in this community too and whats good for you is good for me.
You always get more by being nice. Since when have you ever help someone by knocking them.
Hope you all have a nice day.
Jan said
There are homeowners out there that leave tires, barbque grills, old hoses, beer cans, tires, wood, and kids toys under the decks or by their patio that need to be cleaned up. I have personally met people who have moved in and when I ask them to move their belongings so I can build a deck their answer is that this stuff has been there since I move in. Meaning the old homeowner has left that there.
Why are these people not being fined? It makes the complex look junkie. Also, if there aren't written laws pertaining to "garbage" spewed all over the place, cant we add condo rules and regulations to what we already have?
What are you complaining about carole, I had a few run ins with Gene. I do not like the man nor do I care for the way he runs Whispering Hills. Boss, why did you erase my post? I thought this boards purpose is to express opinions? Jan, nice way to kiss up. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?
Anonymous,
Read my above post on WHB rules.
Here is a brief synopsis:
You must follow Whispering Hills Blog rules!
Disparaging Remarks
Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated. When encountered, the message will be reviewed. If the message is considered offensive it will be immediately deleted and the offender will be given a warning not to repeat it. If they do not heed that warning, their access to Whispering Hills Blog will be removed permanently (your IP address will be blocked). Disparaging remarks are those that denigrate people, places, companies, products, social entities, and other identifiable classes in a serious and personal manner. Light bantering on the merits of things is acceptable.
Additional question pertaining to WHB blog rules can be directed to:
whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com.
Thank You,
The Boss
A large part of the problem are some of the folks that live in this complex! The board can do only so much. And to address a previous post, WH has NEVER looked better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect to the way WH "looks" . . . why is it that foreclosed/abandoned properties are not given even minimal outside maintenance? Let's face it, the landscaping we receive is really just lawn mowing and occasional edging--the "landscaped" residences are the obvious result of enthusiastic/proud homeowners. But why is it that the maintenance or landscaping service is not responsible for neatening up residences that look like a potential poster for suburban blight? Here's one example: 1414.
Oh noes, we are going to become Whispering Priutt Igoe Hills.
You wrote: "With respect to the way WH "looks" . . . why is it that foreclosed/abandoned properties are not given even minimal outside maintenance?
Thank you for this post it raises an important issue, which will likely become more significant to us in these difficult economic times. We all need to know that HOA doesn’t typically know and is more often than not the very last to know when a property is left abandoned by a homeowner due to foreclosure or a sudden move.
Some rental units where an absentee owner pays the common charges may go empty and unkept for long periods of time. In this instance HOA should be made aware to ensure that units are winterized so that neighbor units do not suffer damage. Units that are subject to bank foreclosure are even more of a problem. The bank (which is typically out of state) seizes the property, the owner is removed or just leaves and the property sits empty until it is auctioned off for sale – this can take months or even years. Estates in probate can also take a long period of time to settle during which time they remain empty.
NEIGHBORS ARE OUR BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION ON THESE MATTERS. PLEASE REPORT ANY UNOCCUPIED UNITS TO HOA. FYI -One unit was foreclosed upon, lost on paper by the bank and remained unoccupied for several years before this was discovered and the property was eventually auctioned off in “as is “ condition. Fortunately in this case the unit had been winterized but that is not always the case. WHEN HOA KNOWS THAT A UNIT IS EMPTY PROPER STEPS NEED TO BE TAKEN AND WILL BE TAKEN TO TURN OFF THE WATER ( WHERE APPROPRIATE) AND WINTERIZE THE UNIT TO ENSURE THAT ADJACENT UNITS DO NOT SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF FROZEN PIPES THAT MIGHT BE THE RESULT.
Further, on the financial side when a unit is abandoned and CC's aren’t being paid IF RELATED MORTGAGE COMPANY OR FINANCE COMPANY INFORMATION AND LIMITED LOAN INFORMATION WAS KEPT ON FILE BY HOA HOA CAN THEN contact the bank/finance company swiftly to get on the list of debtors so that the value of CC's owed currently and with interest can be included in the bankruptcy filing or estate burden. This is the only way to recover the CC’s. In these cases there is a hierarchy of debtors, banks have primary standing since they have control of the property sale and others need to be listed in order to ever get any remuneration.
The point is that the economy is difficult and people are suffering losses. The community needs to insulate itself from potential losses.
Please let HOA know when a unit appears to be or is known to be empty. Agree to provide mortgage/ financial institution information for our HOA to keep on file.
This would enable HOA to contact the mortgage company in the event of abandonment or death so that the property is protected and CC payments get included as part of all related claims. This would open an area of opportunity to the community to limit our losses and to potentially acquire by purchase properties that would otherwise be left empty and unattended for unforeseeable periods of time and delibitated as a consequence. I think that we should urge HOA to require all owners to provide bank mortgage contact information for the good of the community. Keep in mind that owners would be protected by the privacy laws of their banking or finance institution. The community would gain the opportunity to manage property care in the event of abandonment. No one gets hurt, no privacy laws are violated.
Please share your thoughts on this – would you be willing to provide bank contact information and mortgage loan information in limited terms of loan number and terms if this were a requirement?
Getting back to the question – Would HOA act to maintain the property minimally to offset any unsightly overgrowth, and make every effort to protect the property and adjuacent properties – YES.
PLEASE LET HOA KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY PROPERTY THAT IS EMPTY OR HAS BEEN ABANDONED – BE SURE TO INCLUDE UNIT #
Thanks Carole Condo 2
The other day a person put in a new sliding patio door in the 4000 section. Do you know where the door ended up. It ended up in the dumpster. Do you think that the homeowner did not know they were doing wrong or do you think that the homeowner just didn't care. Aside from the fact that they filled the dumpster.
Orange County is a green county. The homeowners of Whispering Hills in the future could be charge a fee of 1,000.00 per week per dumpster if these green laws were stickly inforced. There is around 34 dumpsters in Whispering Hills that fine could be 34,000. per week.
Thank god that the garbage company turns it's back on most of this illegal dumping. How would you feel if they decided to not dump the dumpster because of illegal debrees?
These same garbage trucks occasionally hit the garbage bins because of various reasons like very expreme weight in the dumpsters and some dumpsters are on hills. They drive away but empty our dumpsters.
It's cheaper to fix the dumpster than to get in a fight with the garbage company.
It's your job as homeowners to speak up when you see someone doing wrong.
My real point is that we have about 3,500 people living in Whispring Hills. We maybe have around 2,500 people who care. The rest only care about me me me.
I agree, I've been here for 7 years and the majority of my neighbors over the years have always been close and helpful. Only a few renters were wierd but they usually departed quickly, in less than a year.
Everytime I have needed help from Clubhouse personnel they have always been great.
The only problems I really have with Whispering Hills is the parking. Many parj thier cars outside the garages for long periods of time making difficult to manuever. Also many cars are parked in the lots with no permits at all. And one time I had my car parked with the permit in the window and was giving a fine!
Whispering Hills however is a great place with many good people. I guess more don't get involved in community activities because of time contraints with commuting to the city, kids, etc.
jtm said...
It's cheaper to fix the dumpster than to get in a fight with the garbage company.
The landscapers do more damage to the dumpster huts than the trash company does.
My area of Whispering Hills is beautiful(4000's). I've had the same residents around me for the past 10 years. People care and maintain their properties. My concern is in the other areas, particularly down in the 2000's where there seems to be more rentals and more property abuse. Whispering Hills is a very large complex, when a prospective buyer looks at a unit they group the entire complex together rather than looking at the complex broken into 4 groups. My point is that if things look bad in one area, it affects the entire complex. So the homeowner who throws trash on his porch and rents a front unit on the main road directly influences the price of my home. I don't know if it was addressed here but why are we segregated and split into 4 groups? Another question I have is why do they allow rentals here? Many other complexes discourage rental of property.
Carole:
Once again, your's appears as the voice of reason. Your feedback is certainly appreciated.
However, regarding the foreclosure/abandonment issue: This partcular unit had a lock box on it for months. It has been neglected by the landscapers for months. It has been winterized, which tells me that the HOA is aware it has been vacant. (Isn't the HOA cognizant of all foreclosures?) That brings me back to my earlier comments about maintenance/HOA members not surveying the property on a regular basis. Additionally, we should not have to rely on residents--most of whom are absent during the daylight hours--to monitor the upkeep of our community.
In reference to foreclosures:
UNIT 3702
Anonymous said...
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the HOA Board Of Directors also sits on the Condo board managers?
We have HOA = Home Owners Association Board and Condo Group Boards - Condo 1, Condo 2, Condo 3 and Condo 4.
Bill is on both our HOA board and our Condo 4 board and resides in Condo 4, same is true for Condo 1 where Gene or Eugene is on both HOA and Condo 1 board. Also Jeff Jones who was formerly president of Condo 2 was the HOA board as well. John Stevenson , now Condo 2 board president is on HOA Board. I am not sure about Condo 3 representation. It makes sense to me that we would have equal representation from each of our four condo groups on the HOA board and for this reason I do not interpret this as a conflict of interest- after all we are all on the same side. Thanks Carole
Getting back to a couple of inquiries
1. On the matter of unsightly storage on patios, decks and under decks. It is within your rights to request of HOA that a letter be sent to any residence with infractions as named - this is done based on complaint meaning if a resident places a complaint with HOA a letter will be sent which will include a warning and reference to a related fine.
Please get back to us with specific unit numbers and description of infraction and we will set the action in place.
2. On the subject of the dumpster huts - these are the responsibility of the various condo groups. If there is a hut in your area that needs work please contact your Condo Group Board or HOA with your request for repair. Those in Condo 2 - the hut at the end of the 2700 block is scheduled for repair this season I am awaiting related Estimate for review and will take action to have the hut repaired as soon as possible
3. As prior requested please share your thoughts on whether you would agree to provide your lender information to HOA for the file
Note: Emergency contact information should also be updated periodically as needed to ensure that in the event of need HOA can contact you’re designate in your unavailability or absence.
4. I have an idea and would appreciate your feedback.
- I would like to start a touch stone project where members would be asked whether they would like to get a call everyday to just to say hi and where others would volunteer to make a call as needed - I would hope for one a week which would work if we get enough of members who will volunteer. This would help our seniors to feel less alone and would give residents an opportunity to get to each other a little better. If the program takes off we can get our youth involved in programs to help with services such as snow shoveling and car clear off and trip to the store, et. Any thoughts? Im thinking of doing this in Condo 2 in advance of the winter season.
To all
I have notified HOA with our request for inspection of both of the units that members presented as empty with concern about appearance and proper winterizing,et 1410 and 3702 .
For 1410 I indicated that residents feel that the property needs to be cleaned up - I asked for an inspection and proper action.
I have requested that HOA inspect and as warranted send notice with warning of fine to the residents of 4010.
As requested Carole Condo 2
Pat, thanks for your compliment but please be aware that Gene is a great help to this community and to me in particular in that he has been amenable to do everything that I have asked him to do to support the needs of Condo 2 and others - he is actually very helpful. Gene has a real heart for the community and for our residents and takes his responsibilities very seriously. He has worked to gain management skills by attending seminars and networks with other condo management groups to continually find new and better ways to serve the community. He is working on a very innovative project right now which I will leave it to him to bring to fore - this is a great guy, Gene does a lot of good.
Please consider, Gene works everyday for the betterment of this community.
Thanks Carole
YOU WROTE: Anonymous said...
My concern is in the other areas, particularly down in the 2000's where there seems to be more rentals and more property abuse.
Please provide specific unit numbers so that we can understand better what you are referring to here. There are lots of 2000's - where do you find the general ambiance and look of the area to be so run down?
YOU WROTE: So the homeowner who throws trash on his porch and rents a front unit on the main road directly influences the price of my home.
Please advise unit number.
YOU WROTE:
Why are we segregated and split into 4 groups?
Carole Condo 2 Response: The community was built in phases, each phase was set up as its own corporation - there are four phases and four corporation but we are not segregated all of our common business is managed by the same HOA with representation from each of the Condo Group corporations.
You wrote:
Why do they allow rentals here?
Carole Condo 2 Response: This is in our charter and makes our units more salable as investment property. This could come in very handy in difficult economic times - Example if an owner resident changes jobs at a time when the market is low and they bought their unit at a time when the market was high they are not forced to sell the unit if they can no longer live in it because they need to relocate for their job. They can rent the unit and wait for the pricing to increase again before selling or rent for a while to recover their loss in value and then sell without taking a loss.
I hope that you find this helpful.
Carole Condo 2
Regarding unsightly storage on patio/deck - I have been advised that the mattress has been removed. FYI Carole Condo 2
4. I have an idea and would appreciate your feedback.
- I would like to start a touch stone project where members would be asked whether they would like to get a call everyday to just to say hi and where others would volunteer to make a call as needed - I would hope for one a week which would work if we get enough of members who will volunteer. This would help our seniors to feel less alone and would give residents an opportunity to get to each other a little better. If the program takes off we can get our youth involved in programs to help with services such as snow shoveling and car clear off and trip to the store, et. Any thoughts? Im thinking of doing this in Condo 2 in advance of the winter season.
Great idea Carole, is there any way I can get my 4h Club to take part in your idea. These are children that range from the age of 5-10 yrs old.
BTW thank you for your extremely informative posts.
Subj: Executive Decision
As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next
President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8%.
But since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.
This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did.
I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the
first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem.
These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
If you have a better idea, let me know.
just cheat on your taxes like most small businesses do. no need to lay off anyone.
I was disgusted by Tuesday mornings snow fall and the contractors not cleaning the snow off the grass!
What the heck happened to the site? Looking forward to the new one.
What are the rules on parking? There is this is this one guy with a white pick up that parks by 3908 almost everyday for hours. I am ok if the guy is unloading stuff but its always there?
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