I have an opinion about how to secure the community and prevent loitering. I feel the HOA should employ a security guard that drives around the entire premises 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If it is costly then cut the time from dusk till dawn.
I feel we should have a Whispering Hills summer basketball league for adult residents. We have the court space to make this happen. Would anyone be interested in participating in something like this?
I will post your blog under Q & A along with it being posted here. I, for one, would be interested in playing summer league basketball.
If anyone is interested in possibly forming a summer basketball league please email me at whisperinghillsblog.yahoo.com. If we get enough responses, I will present it to the HOA.
Boss, I think residents of WH should be aware of the ongoing bird problem. You may ask "what bird problem"?
The problem occurs when the birds nest in the laundry dryer and other expel vents. This blocks the dryer and expel vents the ability to do what they are suppose to.
Question, can this cause a fire? If so, who is responsible to clean the vent out?
I have to admit, for a fairly large complex they take care of the larger tasks well. My only gripe is with the dump. The way it is now, if you do not make it up there between HOA hours you cant dump. I wish they would make it more accessible to normal working people.
Boss Is there anyway you can add a local sports page to this thing. It would be a nice addition considering there are many student athletes who live in the complex.
My post is about the price of real estate in the complex. I am very happy with my investment(my condo) I purchased a few years ago. The HOA maintains and runs this place well, I guess thats why the price of my place is stable in a depressed real estate market. Convenient to RT 17, this complex is a gem in the rough!!
1) I'm a Facility Manager by profession and the conditions on our site are deplorable! The grounds crew is obviously unsupervised. Has anyone else noticed that they do an exceptional job maintain the lawns along the main road while the other areas are neglected? 2) If I allowed the snow removal company on my site to destroy the curbs with no retribution...I would be fired! There is no reason why we should accept damage from plowing! 3) The issue of loitering is a big problem with ramifications that extend well beyond our properties. At some point, most people will be looking to sell there units and I can tell you the perception Whispering Hills has defiantly impacts our property value NEGATIVLY! The spray painted stop sign is the first impression every new home owner sees. I understand it belongs to the town, that’s no excuse...Remember WH makes up over 50% of Chester's voting population. 4) We are a dog friendly community and unfortunately some people don’t respect their neighbors. I have some ideas we can do to help this along if anyone is interested.
I am seriously interested in an adult basketball league. I know of at least 4 or 5 other residents that would participate as well. Is somemone planning on organizing this?
As a longtime resident, I agree with all the problems that are present in the Whispering Hills Community. I also agree with the the second poster up. Why should we be accountable for negligence!
The reason for my email is that the HOA appear to be ineffective in ensuring that the bylaws are adhered to. At the last board meeting the HOA asked unit owners to do more in the community but now we wonder what we are paying condo fees for. Question, What are my rights as a unit holder to ensure that the board is in fact carrying out their duties and not taking a passive stance? Is there anything we can do to ensure that the bylaws are adhered to if the board won't? Help!
There are generally a variety things that can cause apathy to result. The most common is that owners don't feel they have anything of real value to offer, in other words they are not needed, and that the existing board is doing just fine so why change things. When apathy results it is usually because the current board did not make the owners feel important and included in the operation of the corporation property.
The vast majority of owners in a condominium do not realize that the investment they have in the condominium property is impacted by the management style and that for this reason they need to be involved in the management, whether directly as a board member or indirectly as an interested owner. This also adds to the apathy factor. Providing information to owners is part of the solution.
Pertaining to summer basketball league: We need indication of interest!!
Question for the basketball post? Do you want to get a few guys together for a pickup game or organize a league?
If you are interested in the latter I will place a section on this blog over the next few days in order for individuals to sign up on "indication of interest basis".
If the majority resonates toward the league idea, once I receive 10 or 15 indications, we will present it to the H.O.A.
I went to my first, and last board meeting 1 1/2 years ago. The bickering about stuff that was not relevant to the meeting was pathetic. There were personal attacks goign on between board members and residents. An agenda needs to be set, and stuck to. I felt nothing got accomplished and it was a waste of my time.
I agree with the prior posts about the HOA meetings. I have been to a few and realized attending was a waste of time. Arguments, nothing gets done, it was a joke. The individual(s) who started this blog should be in charge of organizing these meetings. The way it is now, my time is better well spent sitting in front of my computer and expressing thoughts to people that will listen.
What is the deal with the sudden increase in maintenance fees? I know they are putting a new roof on soon and believe that is the reason for the spike. Does anyone have any information on how much this is costing us in the end?
Answering the question about what happened if nobody ran for office....We would need a management company, which means a steep increase in monthly dues, I am willing to be more than double. There was a recent aticle in the paper about this and there were some subtle threats this may be coming in the future to get people to stand up and volunteer. WE DO NOT WANT A MANAGEMET COMPANY.
Any comments on the new Lows Super Center they are planning on putting on the old Chester Hyde and Skin site?
My opinion is that this is getting out of hand. How can they do that to this area??? I am so furious that the planning boards along with the local Governments are approving this type of expansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We do not have a management company now, we have an Association. If we get a management company, you can expect your monthly fees to go to $400-600 month, easily. Not only would we have to pay for the salaries, but they will want to make a profit and they will, by adding a fee in. There is a difference between what we have now and a management company. I know some employees we have now make a salary, but Whispering Hills is still not run by a management company.
I am sorry, I misunderstood and misread your e-mail, you are correct, and I agree. However, many would not be able to stay here with that big bump in monthly dues. Sorry for the confusion and misunderstanding on my part. Maybe we need a complete management overhaul from top to bottom.
Expansion is not always bad, it brings money in that helps keep our taxes down. I know that expansion brings problems with it, like increased traffic. That is the only bad thing I can see with this project. They need to rework that Rt 17/Rt 94 interchange, mainly by chaning light cycles and allowing rights on red. I would really like to see a schematic on what the plan is to see how the building and parking will be positioned before I can make up my mind if it is good or bad.
They need to get on the ball. They need to change the Greeting Sign coming into the complex.I noticed this morning it said something like meeting Feb 22nd. Shows the pace that they are getting things done around here. Those signs can be used for something productive.
I am extremely pleased to see that you all are presenting some pretty legitimate comments, opinions, and concerns.
As I mentioned in a few sections on our blog, I am working on getting Whispering Hills more involved with the answer process. I hope to have something done this week that will provide answers to some of the more specific questions of our Community.
Not only in Chester but around the corner from our complex? We have a Lowes, 2 HomeDepots, a Tractor Supply and several small hardware stores all within 10 miles (the max) of Chester. Why do we need this?????
This has just ruined my entire day. Is it a done deal?
*Pertaining to the Lowe's Home Improvement Center that a few Community Members stressed concerns and opinions about.
I posted the article under the News section of our blog. It will explain what they are proposing.
Being an unbiased party “The Editor” of this blog, my stance is a neutral one. Though there are many factors that will influence your opinion about this topic, I listed a few comments and questions that will enter the minds of everyone that reads this story.
Increase in local job opportunities Injection of revenue into the local economy Improved facilities Modernization / State of the art Convince
Some other things to consider:
How would our taxes be affected? Traffic Construction congestion Noise Can the municipalities handle the expansion? Pollution
Again, I must take a firm neutral stance. These points are just a few of many the reader of the article will have and want to comment about.
I would love to hear additional comments and opinions.
How about this idea Boss, Under Q & A someone recommended renting out the clubhouses. My idea is that they would also rent out tents,tables chairs, that sort of thing for outdoor events. The only problems I could see arising is the area they would designate for these events. But hey, if they can make additional money on renting the facilities, they should do it.
About the towing company they are using. They seem to be doing an alright job, a big improvement over the last losers who drove around picking up cars when they felt like it. My idea is that HOA invests in a used tow truck, employ someone person on a % basis to drive the truck and tow cars, keep all the impounded cars up by the dump in a fenced in area, charge $75-100 per car. You give the driver a cellphone, give the residents the number and create a 24 – 7, towing hotline to cut down on the guy driving around burning gas.
Think about it, 10 cars picked up a week @ 100 = $1000.00. The numbers I am using are probably on the conservative side. You can do the math and figure that it would be extremely profitable for the complex if they implement something like this. 50k a year minus insurance, maintenance on the truck, paying the driver, gas.
The renting out of the clubhouse or any common property is a violation of the prospectus. Common property, with the exception of the patios, cannot be set aside for any personal use. You cannot change the prospectus.
For the blogger with the solution to the dog poop problem, please feel free to share it with the board. If it as good an idea as you think it is, it should be implemented ASAP.
The basketball league is a great idea and doesn't need approval by the board, but the recreation dept. should be involved to help administer it if you would like.
Bottom line, don't be turned off by a bad experience at a board meeting. Show yourself and participate in your community.
Yes, I am a board member, elected by you to represent you, not dictate to you.
Bruce, Thank You for your response. It's great see Board Members interested in adding support to our Community. If you can answer any other questions or concerns of other bloggers, please feel free to do so.
Pertaining to the Adult Summer Basketball League proposal: Can you provide us with a contact name, phone number or email address of the appropriate person to speak to in the Recreation Department.
Mr. Green: Thank you for the response to my suggestion of renting the clubhouses. I did not know the prospectus governed this. Why can't it be changed if that’s what the majority of homeowners want (Truthfully, I'm not sure it is)? Does the HOA have a standard or a base line as I call it, for maintaining the parks and grounds? Does anyone from the HOA inspect the work of the grounds crew and if so, are they satisfied with the level of service? The primary purpose of a HOA is to protect and preserve the value of the private and commonly used property of their association. Does the board feel the conditions of the tennis courts and dog runs reflect this incumbent responsibility? Do you think the grounds crew removes snow in a manner consistent with a community who takes pride in their facilities? Do you think the board is satisfied with the overall performance of our grounds crew? I think there is a disconnect somewhere between the contractors hired to perform a service for the HOA members and the board itself. Being on the board has to be a difficult job. I would guess that 95% of the interaction these members have with the community is when the community is unhappy with something. I commend the work they do, as I know it has to come with a personal cost. However, we members pay fees in return for a service. It is up to us as member to demand that these services are in alignment with the dues we pay. Its obvious by the creation of this blog and the responses it has generated that, most of us feel shorted. Most of the issues raised are no more than the Board holding the contractors responsible for the work they have been hired to perform. Matt
I have another idea for the recreation department. How about a horseshoe pit, a bocce court or both for us old-timers? It wouldn’t take up much space or cost much. I would even volunteer to help install them (It’s very easy). Anyone else interested?
Letter Sent to Whispering Hills H.O.A. from Whispering Hills Blog
*** In an effort to keep the Community informed of recent developments, I am posting the letter which was presented to the Whispering Hills H.O.A. from Whispering Hills Blog.
The letter states the following;
Hi Whispering Hills H.O.A.,
It is amazing that when people have resources to communicate candidly, openly and freely, they speak louder and more effectively.
It is a thrill to inform you that this week I started “The Official” Whispering Hills Community Blog. By overwhelming response, I feel it is in our community’s best interest to inform the Whispering Hills H.O.A. about our recent developments. I am writing this letter to offer an opportunity to Management of this facility to comment and respond to certain issues and concerns of our Residents. If you would please navigate to the following webpage you will be informed of exactly what situation is occurring.
www.whisperinghillsblog.blogspot.com
It is evident that there are many questions that need to be addressed by qualified Management of Whispering Hills.
I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions about how you can interact with our Community through our blog.
Please email me at: whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com
* Disclaimer: any messages or letter transmittal between “The Whispering Hills Blog” Personnel and the Whispering Hills H.O.A. may be published on “The Official” Whispering Hills Blog.
Now I’m ticked off. Maybe that’s the problem! The board should be looking at what people are saying here rather than relying on the old, ineffective way. You telling people to present them to the HOA is ridiculous. If residents had the gumption to do that, all these thing would be happening right now! Do you really think any of these ideas, comments, opinions, problems would ever be made aware of if you had to present them your way? I’m tired of getting the runaround here.
K: I agree with your comments. However, I don't think its that the members don't have gumption. At least thats not the case for me. I would rather be patronized in the comfort of my living room as opposed to a board meeting in the clubhouse. I have raised all of my comments posted above in person, at the board meetings. I heard good ideas...no follow-up, no resolve. So I will continue to voice my suggestions while trying to limit my judgements. Honestly, the board makes it very difficult for me to do that. The fact that they have not responded to this blog speaks volumns!!! Matt
We live in a nice community. No problems here, just some of the smaller stuff. I would like to see some of the petty things taken care of. Even though the management makes an effort, there is still a communication gap, there is no unity, just pent up resentment?
Where is the money going? First, not all are paying that high monthly maintenance. Then add in the cost of landscaping, plowing, the pool operations and employees, taxes, garbage removal, cable etc.. it all adds up, honestly, I do not think we can complain if it is only costing 2.5 million a year. I would like to see what the breakdown is though.
2.5 million is alot of money even for a large complex like this. If the things that you mention cost over 2 million bucks, someone is getting rich here.
I think its in bad taste to assume someone is getting rich off our contract. I bet the grounds (mowing and snow removal) make up 75% of that cost. Then you add the pools (maintenance, lifeguards, insurance), trash removal (It cost the average home in Monroe $150 a year or $12.50 mo. for trash removal) 150X690= $103,500. Maintenance and upkeep of clubhouses, tv packages for 690 units, utility costs for shared areas, Etc.
I do think we should take a closer look at the books, but to assume someone is getting rich before poor management of funds is at a minimum not fair! Matt
I have to agree that $2.5 million is not out of line for the complex this size, I highly doubt it is being "taken" for personal gain. I would like to see what we are paying for what though.
I like the neighborhood watch idea. I remember crime was a problem in Edision NJ years ago. They started a neighborhood watch, it helped with some of the crime problems. I think its all about making people aware.
Off the topic… We want to thank You all for your support up to this point in our project. The more you post the more we realize how important it was to create this Blog.
Now… I want to provide my observation not my opinion. Solely on current posts, it seems like the mood of our Community is negatively neutral. As a few bloggers stated in so many words, we need to fill the communication gap between WH H.O.A. and Residents.
Again…We are diligently working on getting the Whispering Hills H.O.A. involved. They have not responded to our letters, a second was sent yesterday.
Also… We are working on a new site (Kristine), which will be more adaptable and functional. Remember, this is a blog, not a website. (A blog is a slimmed down version of a full, interactive website).
We hope this Blog will fill some of the void in communication.
I believe this blog will do more damage than good.
This is open to anybody on the internet. This will attract those that want to complain more than those that are content. What do you suppose that does to the value of our homes?
The people on the 5 boards spend a lot of time serving the community. They are not compensated nor do they get reduced common charges. The behavior of a few owners discourage others from serving. Open positions on the boards are not uncommon. For a long time, Condo 4 did not have a working board. How does this help fill those positions?
As Condo 2 president, I spend a lot of time on day-to-day operations. This includes soliciting bids, managing a roofing project, managing a fence replacement project, dealing with maintenance issues. It goes on and on. I do this and work a full-time job. I have no excess time to do more. Would you volunteer to be responsible for the maintenance for 156 units? Somebody has to do it.
We suffer from 3 shortages: time, money and knowledge. We can fix the lack of time and knowledge by hiring outside help. But that means we have to raise the common charges. Is that acceptable?
Attendance at open meetings only spikes after a raise in common charges. Are we right to conclude the number one issue is the money? Have any of you considered spending time to survey what other comparable condominiums collect in common charges?
We have had open meetings where only one owner shows. You should able to understand why I am indignant about people who think they are helping sitting on their butts in front of a computer typing speculative and damaging remarks.
The best way to help is to back away from the computer and offer your time or expertise to your board. You can run for a position or even get yourself appointed to an open position. At the very least use facts in your comments.
To "The Boss", use your expertise to help complete our web site that is under development. To the Facilities Manager, why are you not offering your expertise? Are you afraid to be involved? To the rest of the writers, if you want better communications, how about volunteering your time to revive our newsletter, The Whisperer? How about some of you dog owners banding together to patrol the others that do not pickup after their dogs?
I think you should all be thankful that there is a dedicated group of volunteers who run this place. Your common charges does not give any owner the right to demand that volunteers work more time than they are capable. Without them we would not be able to put most of the money back into the community.
Sounds like your more concerned about the value of your home than improving the quality of the community for people who are planning on living here today, tomorrow & the future.
..... and what owners demanded that you volunteer more time then you are capable of???... We only demand that what we are paying for is what we are getting. It means demanding better quality of work from our maintenance & service providers
Maybe if your website had been created years ago( Like it should have been.) homeowners would have had an interactive way to post maintenance complaints and you would have had documentation needed to get better results from service providers.
...and maybe if this blog was here years ago we would already have found solutions to concerns.
If we keep approaching things the same traditional ways without results then nothing will change.
In todays busy society the ability to communicate via a convenient outlet is the best way to reach out most efficiently & effectively to a large group.
Obviously based on the number of posts on this blog over such a short amount of time compared to the lack of attendance at Board meetings is evidence enough.
I was refering to the open letter to the HOA. The solution to communications proposed in that letter is to have board memebers spend additional time blogging. So instead of 3 open meetings a year, I now get to spend additional time having one continuous open meeting on a blog because owners do not want to spend a total of 12 hours every year to go to an open meeting or pickup the phone to call the office with their complaint. The proposal in that leeter is simply not feasible.
I suppose I can spend my evenings blogging instead of finishing a letter to owners that I started in January. I suppose I do not have to spend time getting the fence replacement project started.
The point is that I do not have any more time to give. Considering the number of hours I spend managing Condo 2, I consider it quite reasonable for owners to come an open meeting to get their information instead of shifting the burden on a overtaxed board.
So the only solution to this is to assess averybody $5 per month so that we can hire an employee to be in charge of communications.
Even if an electronic medium was used, we still have to produce mailings with the same info for those without internet access who are typically older folks.
What is really insulting is the assertions made without any fact to back it up. I am amazed that you can say you are not getting a good value for your buck without any facts. Have you done a comparative analysis of other condos? Have poured over our financials to determine where there is waste? You just want to sit at your computer and make assertions without the burden of proof?
In the end, you can't just sit in a chair and pronounce things bad. Thanks for the monumental effort. Excuse the sarcasm. I am sure this will be the death of volunteerism at WH.
I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.
I was refering to the open letter to the HOA. The solution to communications proposed in that letter is to have board memebers spend additional time blogging. So instead of 3 open meetings a year, I now get to spend additional time having one continuous open meeting on a blog because owners do not want to spend a total of 12 hours every year to go to an open meeting or pickup the phone to call the office with their complaint. The proposal in that leeter is simply not feasible.
I suppose I can spend my evenings blogging instead of finishing a letter to owners that I started in January. I suppose I do not have to spend time getting the fence replacement project started.
The point is that I do not have any more time to give. Considering the number of hours I spend managing Condo 2, I consider it quite reasonable for owners to come an open meeting to get their information instead of shifting the burden on a overtaxed board.
So the only solution to this is to assess averybody $5 per month so that we can hire an employee to be in charge of communications.
Even if an electronic medium was used, we still have to produce mailings with the same info for those without internet access who are typically older folks.
What is really insulting is the assertions made without any fact to back it up. I am amazed that you can say you are not getting a good value for your buck without any facts. Have you done a comparative analysis of other condos? Have poured over our financials to determine where there is waste? You just want to sit at your computer and make assertions without the burden of proof?
In the end, you can't just sit in a chair and pronounce things bad. Thanks for the monumental effort. Excuse the sarcasm. I am sure this will be the death of volunteerism at WH.
I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.
To Jeff Jones....This Blog is a good idea. Maybe it needs to be changed a little bit to make it work better and in a different way. Last time I went to a Board Meeting, it was a pathetic joke. There were 12 of us there. I was the last one there after 2 hours. There was no agenda. It turned into a personal battle between Gene and the other 10 people that were there and they all walked out. The garbage that was being spewed from both sides was absurd, and both sides crossed the line. It appears that there are too many personal issues being fought at at these meetings. I for one do not have to time, nor will I, to go there to sit through the garbage I did 1 1/2 years ago. I almost feel to the floor when I heard some of the things coing out of Gene's mouth. And the other residence were not much better. Some of your points in your blog were valid and are worth looking into. As far as thanking you, I will thank you for what you do. I have no problem with that. Thanks for all your help and time. Also, What kind of knowledge are you looking for? Maybe there are some in the complex who will be willing to give some time, and this knowledge, to better the community.
Mr. Jones: Your comments were very telling. Your lack "out-of-the-box" thinking is obvious. You said:
"We suffer from 3 shortages: time, money and knowledge. We can fix the lack of time and knowledge by hiring outside help. But that means we have to raise the common charges. Is that acceptable?"
You have an association of over 700 people. They are Policeman, Fireman, Lawyers, Facility Managers, ETC. Together, there is no problem(s) we can’t solve. You could not have been clearer in illustrating the “us v. them” mentality. Instead of trying to unite the talents of our HOA, you "threaten us with higher common charges."
I commend what you do, as I have stated many times before in this Blog. I know it comes with a high personal cost. I have offered my services as a Facility Manager and will continue to do so! I would be happy to oversee our contractors, help with bid packages, plant flowers, remove trash, Etc. You name it I'll help do it. I have offered many solutions to problems I see in our community, including starting a neighborhood watch program, ideas on curbing dogs, bringing in excess revenue to HOA in an effort to offset dues, Etc. So next time you lob complaints about what’s not happening in this forum you should try reading it first!
This form did not just appear. Someone volunteered time and resources to create it and maintain it. There intent is obvious. It was not done with malice toward the Board. It was not created as a grip fest. I believe it was created to fill a void that exists within our community. One that makes people feel like their complaints and suggestions fall on deaf ears. I have been to your board meetings. I have heard members say things like “hey, you voted for me!” I have seen people shot down when trying to suggest things (some are pretty silly) but cutting them down in a meeting discourages others from wanting to participate. You said: “To the Facilities Manager, why are you not offering your expertise? Are you afraid to be involved? How does this type of rhetoric help community involvement?
Another thing, you say “This is open to anybody on the internet. This will attract those that want to complain more than those that are content. What do you suppose that does to the value of our homes? Do you read the newspapers? Have you read the articles bashing our overzealous towing contractors? How does that help our property value?
Have you ever solicited help for the association members? One of the board members is a retired cop. Security has been a big issue with our community. Has anyone thought of asking him to help start a neighborhood watch program? Have you ever suggested asking him to partner with the local police to get a cooperative relationship on how to deal with security issues? Have you ever tried to put individual talents to work on a part time basis?
One more thing: You wrote: “I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.” Did you not see these posts? Ø About the towing company they are using. They seem to be doing an alright job, a big improvement over the last losers who drove around picking up cars when they felt like it. Ø Being on the board has to be a difficult job. I would guess that 95% of the interaction these members have with the community is when the community is unhappy with something. I commend the work they do, as I know it has to come with a personal cost. Ø I have to admit, for a fairly large complex they take care of the larger tasks well.
Mr. Jones, please read before commenting. I would be happy to meet with you about the idea we have been able to freely toss around through this forum. Some have been very good and worth exploring.
By the way…see how long this post is…I could have done the newsletter. But I never knew we even had one. Sound like a communication problem to me? What do you think Mr. Jones?
At the risk of being abrasive, I want to take a step back here. I would again like to explain why this blog was created, the benefits, and concern issue. It is apparent from your post you didn’t read the entire site.
I absolutely couldn’t disagree with you more, let me tell you why.
This blog is 24 hour a day 7 day a week project. We are committed to improving Community functionality along with it being a "real time” voice for Residents. Anyone with a concern or opinion can at any time of the day or night and post their thoughts anonymously if they choose. Surely you are not suggesting by your opening statement that you just want to accommodate Community Members that are happy with the way things are and sweep the others under a rug. Are you?
Just an observation but; If all concerns were addressed, in some cases years ago, there would be a more positive overall connotation and demeanor amongst our Residents. Let’s face it; the more outlets of communication in any business or community, the more likely things will get done. If you don’t agree with that then it would make sense that we are in the situation we are in.
I would like to reiterate what the site disclaimer states on the first page of this blog.
Section 4 of the disclaimer states the following:
4) We are not problem solvers, nor do we have influence over the Whispering Hills H.O.A to solve problems that our members post. Whispering Hills Blog is here to act simply as a middleman between You, The Community, Whispering Hills H.O.A, and Local Government Authority. We do not guarantee results!
The question you brought “How does this help fill those positions” is pretty much answered by the above paragraph and thought the Whispering Hills Blog.
Look, I understand that being on the Condo Board must be tedious. As you stated, there are many issues that need to be face. I know that if I had what would appear to be resentment, and took a “professional victim” stance because of the present situation, I would reinvent the current process and procedure. I would be inclined to speak to the residents of the entire Community rather than segregate them to one specific zone. Don’t you think a resident in the 4000’s has a right to speak about an issue he or she has with another zone in the complex? After all when that person goes to sell his/her house, the potential buyer must still drive through the entire Complex. Quite frankly, no one has the time to attend 5 condo board meetings. (Simply and observation but) the way you are portraying your duties, I can see why there are more Residents not involved.
Another comment I would like to address is the 3 shortages issue you brought up. There are People in this Community that are more than willing to commit a portion of their time to community projects (dog runner, bocce court, summer basketball league). I would like to think that since you hold an important position in our Community, that you are a fairly intelligent man. I would also hope that you would see the potential in getting more people involved with improving the Community rather than outsource and pay for it. That is what is occurring now and contributing to the overall negative feeling you are getting from some of the posts. Residents feel like they are getting short changed.
If there was some sort of quality control in place between the H.O.A. and all of these services and business they are hiring to perform functional duties, I think it would shift the scale the other way. Rather than “indignant” like you say you are, embrace Residents, shake a few hands, and ditch the callus attitude. As the old saying goes, “You catch more flies with honey”
My observation on the degree of contradiction in your post coincides with the present communication gap between residents and management. In one section you state the 3 shortages we have, money being most important and in the next paragraph you mention something about attendance at meetings spike after common charges are raised. You question the integrity of the community by asking “Are we right to conclude the number one issue is money”>>>>>>> I think you answered your own question!
As far as the attack on everyone that has provided opinions and concerns on this blog, I feel we have accomplished more in one week than the management of this facility has in 3 years. This is not speculation, it’s based upon the facts that you provided. If people feel more comfortable in front of their computer then so be it. Entertain, accommodate, and adapt to current standards and deal with it in a positive way.
I want to address Whispering Hills H.O.A.. Actions speak louder than words, if there is any sort of speculation involved with any of the posts, they should appoint someone to address them along with the other questions Residents may have. There has been absolutely no communication between them and us. Note: we have sent out two letters notifying them of this blog.
I will stop there before I say something incriminating.
In conclusion, it is extremely apparent you did not read the entire blog. There are people willing to help out the community and solutions being provided but because of lack of communication, these things are not getting done!
Thank You,
The Boss
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If I knew who the facilities manager was , I would be on the phone immediately trying to recruit him/her. Sure we have all these skills available in our community, but I do not know who they are. Volunteering is about coming forward and offering your services.
To find these people and to solicit their help requires somebody to do that work. Are you going to volunteer? If not where is the labor coming from?
I do not have the time to do a point by point rebuttal. I will just say that every suggestion on this site requires some time, money and/or knowledge to implement. Where is it coming from?
Choose.
I am not threating with increasing the common charge. When another service is offered there are 3 choices in finding the money and time: cancel something else, find a voluteer or hire an employee.
Choose.
I agree communications suck. I was all gung ho to do a quarterly newsletter just for Condo 2. It did not happen. Why? Not enough time.
I do not disagree that there are problems. I simply disagree that sitting on your butts at home blogging will somehow solve them.
None of the suggestions on this site are new. They have been suggested so many times it gets to be comical. There is not a shortage of complaints and suggestions. The problem is how to implement them. That requires money, time and knowledge. Which are YOU willing to provide?
If you truly want to talk, call the HOA office and leave your name and phone number.
And stop wasting your time looking for contradictions. I guarantee that there are plenty in this blog. No, I did not read every word due that TIME thing again. Busted. I admit it. I am a horrible person.
Jerry: I, Matt, am the Facility Manager! I volunteer to help! Tell me where to start.
If the same ideas keep being passed around, why haven't they ben implimented? If they can't be implimented, why haven't the requesters been told?
Give me a contact number I will be happy to get in touch with you. In fact I have already contected the Chester Police to start a community watch program. I will try to personally meet with them tonight.
The Whispering Hills news letter is lame. They should automate it and throw it up on a site. If I had to guess, 3/4 of the people here have internet access.
I cannot post my number here. Hence why I suggested you call the HOA office (469-4018) and leave it there. I will call you and give you my number then.
What condo are you in? (Please let it be 2. :) )
I think a board position would be best. Unfortunately, the April 12th deadline has passed to be on the ballot, which was just mailed.
You can launch a write-in campaign. You have this blog to use to announce.
Otherwise, you can volunter your services to the HOA, Condo Boards or all boards as a expert advisor.
If you are in condo 4 and available during the day, they need a project manager to manage the roofing project. You would be able to save them a lot of money.
First, call the HOA and leave your number. I will call you later or over the weekend.
I will call...I live in condo three. Unfortunatly I would be unavailable during the day. I would love to help you guys with bidding jobs, developing scope-of-work documents, starting volunteer programs, Etc.
With community members like you adding to the solution, it speaks volumes as to why we feel a degree of success. By communicating as we are through this blog, it is opening the door for positive action rather than negative reaction.
I want to express my personal thanks to you.
If there is anything you need us to do on our end to make things happen, please let us know. I would also like your email address; I feel it will be more productive communicating on a personal level. You can email me at whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com.
And apparently you are not reading mine either. Lets just agree to disagree and be done with it.
If you and and averybody else wants to commiserate, feel free. It will have therapautic value.
Right now, I have to call the building inspector and negotiate a way to get these fences done without have to get a permit for each one. Matt, any thoughts on that?
To those that did not make insulting or speculative comments, I would like to apologize for my bullying. You are not include in my tirades.
At the end of the day sitting on the sidelines complaining amounts to just that.
If everybody feels that a public airing on our garbage is OK, then enjoy that. I won't be back.
I will help you guys out with community projects. I live in the 3000's. I have a lot of ideas about how we can improve the community. You also mentioned something about overseeing the roofing project. How much less will that cost us? Can more than 1 person contribute to overseeing the project? I'm very interested.
Steve
Boss, I would also like to get involved with the adult summer basketball league.
why would someone be opposed to this blog? If it helps people contribute to the system then why would you condemn it like its taboo or something? The board member above just recruited a homeowner to volunteer time and a few others show some interest. I would say that its starting to help the communication issue already.
I live over in condo 2. Isn't Folrence Lenhard, John Stephenson and Dora Aviles also running for board manager? I would like to see their opinions about some of this stuff brought up here. Not to mention the rest of the residents running for board.
I just read these recent posts. Jeff,I have to tell you that I am disappointed a board member would react in the manner you did. i agree with a lot of these issues here. if the job is so tough why are you running for re-election? U are a pretty negative guy. This is not a good sign for the future if the board isn't willing to even listen to a few voices here and react the way you did. What is so comical about expressing thoughts? I think you feel these people here pose a threat to your position and comfort. You are making your job tougher than it is, yes i am calling you out, maybe we need som younger people on the board. Times are changing, do a little extra work, save a lot of time. I agree with matt and boss, the whole system lacks the out the box thinking. From what I just read, its a shame there are not more quantity of interested residents, it produces quality. I will tell you, you are making me want to run for a position here, seems like anyone has a chance. I wish I could say more about your tirade but I think the posts above just about sum it up! I have been posting here since day 1. Jeff, you are the first negative thing to come out of this blog!!! I and I'm sure many other, unlike you, will be back.ba-bye
Hi, thanks for this opportunity. The blog is a great place to voice opinions and to learn about what is important to WH owners/renters. A monthly synopsis "blog news” for presentation to the HOA and committees would be a big help to tie efforts together by providing the board/committees with a useful reference tool. I hope that this blog will inspire more WH residents to join boards and committees to put more positive energy behind their efforts. Program development and effectiveness are totally reliant on committed participation. If members don’t provide support enough to satisfy the needs of the community and a management group is contracted all of the up front work still needs to be done to establish and support ongoing communications, decide on priorities and guide efforts to ensure that the community gets the best value for the effort and related expense. Lets not fall under the illusion that a management group will know what’s best for WH. It remains our responsibility to define and provide support for our community.
This is my first time here. Great idea to incorporate this blog into the communinty. If Things are not getting done they need to be addressed some place other than wh hoa. Going to the meeting would be fine, the problem is that they are limited. I like the setup here where you can speak your peace anytime without someone brushing you off. I have no problems or additional comments. When I do I will be back.
I noticed that there were not many comments over the past few day. It's the weather, absolutely beautiful! I'm sure everyone is enjoying the outdoors, not their computers.
Call the HOA. They just had elections in the last week or so, so you may have to wait until next year, or ask for appointment if there is a open position.
I was hoping to see and announcement from a particular person seeking write-in votes. Oh well, while I am here, I will answer a few questions, make a few suggestions and make some comments.
It would be helpful that everybody identify their posts with a nickname. If is hard to reply to a particular person if everybody uses "anonymous".
My anger in my previous posts has to do with the disrespect and insults others posted. I will be happy to answer any post submitted in a respectful manner. Any disrespect will get ignored. The board members are volunteers and deserve your respect regardless on how you view their performance. It is the first time, I have been angry since doing this job. It is probably a sign that I have had enough.
Those that stated they want to volunteer should contact the HOA and leave their name and number for their board president. If you prefer, you can leave it for me and I will contact you. Thank you in advance.
I took over the president of Condo 2 position because John Stephenson had the position for several years and I wanted tp give him a break. He did not want to allow owners to expand their patios and fences because of all the extra work involved. I felt strongly about allowing the expansions and volunteered to be the president. Trust me when I say it is a lot of work.
When it comes to the president position, nobody wants it because they do most of the work and the day-to-day management.
Regarding Condo 2 elections. At the last open meeting, I begged the few owners that showed up for somebody to run because we have an open position. Florence came forward as a result. Dora has been highly involved since she moved here almost a year ago and therefore I asked her to run. As a result we are having a contested election. It is the first that I have experienced. It is the only contested election. Dora and Florence are new owners. Both will make fine board members but I doubt either will want to be president.
John will not want to be president again either. He will be undergoing some surgery and will be unavailable for several months. The other two board members have jobs and other responsibilities and will also not want the job.
My point is that voting me out will hurt all of Condo 2 more than me. I do not do it to be loved and obviously not for money. I do the job because it needs to be done. Al I ask is for a little respect.
All election forms must be submitted before the election meeting 10am, May 19th. There are blanks on the forms for write in candidates. So if you want real change, you have plenty of time to organize and get some new members elected.
At board meetings, I have repeatedly told the other members that we over rely on volunteerism. Since we are so large, my idea is that we hire, as an employee, a facility/property manager to handle the day-to-day business. I will propose this again at Thursday's meeting and report back.
If we can get this one thing done, the workload on the volunteers will be reduced and thus we may get more volunteers. Every $50,000 in compensation we pay out requires only $6 per unit per month. So if a well qualified manager wants $100,000 per year then it will cost only $12 per unit per month. I am sure everybody would find that reasonable.
Last comment. The rumor that a property management company would raise the common charges from $400 to $600 is not true. I have discussed the subject of using a property management company with members of other HOAs. They all reported negative experiences. Thus, I am am against using one.
Notices are being sent to the owners of the 27xx, 33xx, and 34xx units regarding the fence project. They will have a form for those that want to expand.
The only way you will get real change is to increase the pool of people who want to serve on the various boards.
I would like to personally thank you for your post and the offer to answer our questions and concerns from our Community. Whispering Hills Blog makes you a commitment that there will be a mutual respect between each other and there will never be any insulting comments or disrespect directed toward you. It means a lot to us that you are here, you are an invaluable asset. “Lets agree to agree”, any negativity or anger we may have felt is “water under the bridge”. We will use this blog together as a tool to reach out to people, rather than hinder, add support to the entire system. We would like to hear your suggestions on how we can improve this site and what you think needs to be implemented into the design to make you more comfortable with the interactive process. I would also like to personally extend the hand of the Whispering Hills Blog to you as a resource. If we can help you in any way, let us know through email. We appreciate your time.
Any news on the neighborhood watch situation? You mentioned that you were going to speak to Chester P.D. It is becoming more important to implement this as soon as possible. Summer is right around the corner.
I just came by to see if there was anything cooking here and I noticed that I would be the 100th post. Great job here Boss. I also know along with many others that maintenance alone on this site is time consuming. I want to comment on what I see going on here. It is nice to see board members working with the system. It makes me feel good about owning here.
A motion to hire a facilities manager for all of WH was rejected. I did not present sufficient information to convince a majority of the members to vote yes. So I will do my homework and present again in 2 to 3 months. Matt, you willing to help?
There was no feedback about raising in common charges about 12/month to pay a salary and benefits for such a person. It may be higher or lower. Please comment.
The perfect board member is a retiree with lots of time and energy. They appear to be a vanishing breed. More and more board members have full time jobs that limit the amount of time they can provide.
There was a time where condo living was considered a lifestyle choice that attracted retirees, single professionals and childless couples. All of these groups tend to have the extra time to volunteer. Now condos may be the new "affordable" housing and are thus attracting more families. Thus the pool of people able to serve is shrinking.
The all volunteer model of management means the boards are involved in the day-to-day management of WH. That kind of workload makes serving unattractive. Add to that the time need to acquire new skills and knowledge and it becomes even more unattractive.
Evidence of this exists. The same people are serving over and over again. There are open positions. Elections are held uncontested. New ideas are great but the real work is getting the new idea implemented. That means new board members are needed to champion those new ideas.
Thus I believe that we need to hire a manager that will be responsible for the day-to-day management. A manager with a business and/or engineering background also provides skills that most board members do not have. Thus such a person not only lessens the time required to serve but also helps the boards make intelligent decisions.
Jeff/Boss/All: Last week I spoke to Jeff Jones on the phone. I don’t know Mr. Jones except for his posts on this blog and the lengthy conversation we had last week. I now believe that Jeff cares very deeply about the state of things in Whispering Hills. He is a dedicated volunteer who wants to se things change. I have been inspired by Mr. Jones’s dedication and will write in my name on election ballot for the upcoming election. I hope everyone out there who reads this from Whispering Hills will realize what Mr. Jones is up against and will join me in getting some new blood on our board! I promise if elected I will be your voice either through this blog or another public forum. Our community is a great place to live and raise a family. I think we can be better!
Even if I’m not elected, I will continue to do everything I can to help better our community. I spoke to the Chester Police Department about getting them involved with the start-up of a neighborhood watch program. I was supposed to meet with them last week but the meeting never happened due to scheduling conflicts. I will be speaking to the Police Chief on Tuesday morning. My hope would be to have an officer, or maybe ever the chief come to one of our HOA meetings to help us get this program off and running. I think this is an important step in addressing the quality of life issues at WH. I think this is the type of program that has the potential to unite our community while at the same time, making it a more enticing place to buy a home!
My name is Steve Toth I live in condo 4. I would like to know more about the Whispering Hills website Jeff had mentioned is currently in the works, I am interested in contributing to the project. As a concerned resident, I am working through email with Boss on some graphics for this blog and would like to be more involved with the process. I have considered running for a position in the past but realized I would be doing the community an injustice being that my time is very limited. Since it is very difficult to break away from work and family, I would like to help the system by offering my skills. If Whispering Hills is interested in utilizing another graphic/web designer to add to the process, please contact me @ sbtgraphix@yahoo.com.
Matt, I am happy that you are trying to make things better for us, I think anyone that reads your posts know that you are the right man for the job! Good to see you and jeff giving opinions and making comments. Thanks for caring about the community the way you both do!!!!
Jeff, Your post makes brings out some great points. I agree with you 100%. Let’s say if the manager worked on a part time basis, it would alleviate some of the time and pressure the board is currently facing. Think about it like this…. A professional manager making decisions in conjunction with the board members in my opinion would not only save money but it would allow the system to be regulated. All the projects would be overseen insuring all budgets, time scheduling, and guidelines are adhered to.
It's great to see Jeff and Matt providing insight, Thank You both for your updates.
Whispering Hills Blog would like to ask Mr. Jeff Jones if he could accommodate some of the prior posts by providing answers to questions asked by our Community Members. I know it’s a lot of extra work for you, I am offering this blog to you as a tool. If I can help you in any way, let me know.
I want to provide some insight into my thought process. I feel confident that if we keep speaking in an open forum environment like we currently are, the communication floodgate will slowly open. We are taking very small steps that will ultimately bring happiness, unity, and at the same time provide solutions. It is very clear from both Matt and Jeff’s post that there is a deficiency of qualified individuals that are interested in running for board. We need more involved residents! I will post something on behalf of your posts under “Hot Topics”.
A final Note:
We all live together in this Community; we need to be aware of our surroundings. The more people that get involved with the solution, the more people will become interested. Every voice counts! By making Residents aware of specific situation such as Jeff Jones, Matt and other Community members bring up; we are educating each reader as to the veracity and magnitude of the topic at hand. It is up to you, the Residents, to formulate an opinion and ultimately react.
Glad you are running. I have already been soliciting votes. I have more calls to make. Hopefully we can get enough. Christine David-Collins was the only other member that voted for having a facility manager. So hopefully we do not bump her off the board.
I have given your number to all of the HOA board members. Condo 4 pres said he might call you. I have a problem that needs to be solved but it can wait.
Steve,
I will pass your email address to the HOA pres. We have an outside consultant for the website but you providing the graphics may save us some money. The very people that do not think we need a manager are the bottleneck on the developement of the site. It is my understanding that the consultant is waiting for direction.
K,
Thanks for the input.
Boss,
I am not sure what questions, you and Mc are refering too. If you could collect those that you feel are unanswered or important and email them to me or summarize in another post. It will make it easier for me to answer them. Sorry I do not have the time to read all the previous posts. I will send you my email address.
Everybody,
CALL YOUR WHISPERING HILLS FRIENDS AND GET MATT DEROSA ELECTED. Write his name on one of the empty lines of the HOA ballot. You have 4 votes. Give him all 4, if you can. Thanks.
The speeding and burnouts once again have become more evident and frequent at the stop sign on Whispering Hills Drive. The Chester PD needs to come in here and do some MAJOR enforcement. I am not complaining about the people doing 30 or 35, I am talking about the people doing in excess of that. I am going to start taking plates and publishing them on this site and sending them to the Chester PD. To all you crazy drivers, take notice!
I am a longtime resident. We just bought another house that our family will be moving into mid summer. I have a question about renting my unit. Are there any regulations, if so, what are they. Thanks
Ask the HOA, but I do not think so. You own the unit so you can do what you want with it, as long as you and your tenants stick to the HOA rules and regulations. You could be held responsible for your renters breaking of the rules and regualtions, I think, since you own the unit.
Thanks for the campaigning Jeff. In fairness of full disclosure…I work full-time and attend school two nights a week. I understand if this may be an issue. Regardless of the outcome this may have, I will continue to try and bring new ideas to the table and offer my knowledge of Facility Management to help better our community!
I spoke to Chester Police Chief Graziano this afternoon. He seems like a great guy. His knowledge of Whispering Hills is extensive as his employment with the Chester PD predates our community. He told me that the Chester Police have been involved with at least 4 initiatives to start a neighborhood watch programs in WH. They all start off strong with people very enthusiastic and willing to help. Then, the participation drops off and the program falls apart. He believes WH bought radios in the past and had vests or special T-Shirts made for people to wear while “patrolling.” I wonder if we still have them? Chief Graziano did say he would be happy to speak to us about starting this program again. He also mentioned the possibility of his department providing training. I think more discussion will be needed to see if community participation is there to keep the program going this time.
I also asked about ways to help eliminate speeding. He told me that removable speed bumps on public roads violate state law as they impede emergency vehicles. He did mention that he would step up patrols, possibly place an unmarked car in the neighborhood and employ other resources they have to help eliminate this issue.
Tell me what you think? Neighbor hood watch…Anyone interested in volunteering a couple hours at night?
Working as a PO, I could have a field day in WH. All they have to do is sit in the clubhouse parking lot or in the 1400 section driveway,or any other driveway for that matter,and they could give out an entire summons book in a tour.
How about a bike patrol? I thought that a few years ago they had Chester PD patrolling on mountain bikes through the complex? I think that volunteering would be less of a task if they were to incorporate mountain bikes rather than walk around. You could cover more ground and at the same time still be mobile. The volunteers could call in illegal parking, vagrancy, loitering, speeding. The list goes on!
Through the years citizens have delegated more and more of their individual responsibility for self protection to law enforcement specialists. As a result, fewer citizens now recognize their responsibility to take an active role in crime prevention and the apprehension of criminals. Police officers make more arrests each year, but criminal activities continue to rise. Homeowners are being victimized every day at an ever-increasing rate. No one is immune. The time has come when citizens can no longer leave their responsibility for the reduction of crime to others. Burglary is a crime of opportunity, committed by criminals who capitalize on carelessness or neglect. Most home burglaries are not committed by professionals who have planned to commit a burglary. Most are committed by amateurs, who find an open or unlocked door or window, or drug abusers that take advantage of a home's week defenses. To combat the increase in crime in today's society, the police need the eyes and ears of citizens like you. To help the police protect your property from criminals you must get involved. To help you help yourself, your community, and Police Department a Neighborhood Watch Program should be established. No home can be protected like Fort Knox. All of the locks, bars, lights and alarms cannot guarantee total protection. You cannot make your home, property, and self crime proof, but you can make them crime resistant. A Neighborhood Watch is easy to start , and effective when implemented. By starting a Neighborhood Watch, you are taking the first step towards making your home, your neighborhood, and your community a safer place to live.
I keep seeing the welcome sign says that there is a complex meeting. 2 questions, how many times a year do they have this meeting and what issues are usually brought up?
I was shocked today to see on the front page of The Chronicle that our taxes are going up in the Village 29%. This is absurd and unacceptable! Mayor Valastro must go if he actually follows through on this. Whispering Hills residents are a vast majority of voters in the Village. We can as a group end his political career. Write him and tell him "NO" to his absurdly fat tax increase!
Increased police patrols seemed to be evident this weekend, whether planned or not. I actually saw them stop somebody near the 1400 section just after the stop sign. However, the wreckless driving, running the stop sign, speeding and unsafe starts still seem to be the norm. These kids, which a majority seem to be, need to have their licesne revoked and need to be put behind bars for a few days. It is only a matter of time before somebody gets whacked by a car here.
Unbelievable! Hey condo three residents, do you know why you have no cable? It seems that the contractor installing fences with the excavator dug a hole and ripped up the main feeder servicing the southern half of condo three! Thank God it was just low voltage TV cable and not the 480V feeders or even worse the gas main.
Over the last few weeks I as well as others have raised concerns over contractor oversight or the lack thereof. It is illegal to dig without notifying O&R and having them survey the utilities. In my business we call this a near miss! This is unacceptable and the HOA needs to hold these people accountable for not having the utilities surveyed first. This is gross negligence!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!
I have also noticed an increase in police activity throughout the complex. Are we getting the watch program going? I really think this is blog is making a difference.
From the Chronicle..This could and should be of interest to all that live here in Whispering Hills....The development being built on the hill at the back of the complex has been scaled back from a proposed 90 lot to 40 lots and at this time there will be no direct access road leading from Whispering Hills Drive to that development that would have brought a great increase in traffic in from both residents and people trying to find shortcuts around Rt. 17 when it gets jammed up. There will be an emergency access road though that will not be open to the public. Maybe somebody from the HOA board can give us more info on this.
Been a resident since 2003. The HOA is just as corrupt at our federal government. How is it possible that the person who does most of the community work is a resident. The guy in the white van ? Conflict of interest..I think so.
I went to 1 meeting and it was worse than dealing with a rooom filled with 5 year olds.
A person I knew ran for office and was run off by the hipocracy and the old boys club.
The pool nearest the exit....how many years in a row do I need to see my money pay to have the SAME problem fixed over and over ?
Landscaping - The main areas look great...my section looks like crap. The don't edge, they dont trim. They stink.
How about fixing the parking bumpers that the snow removal company ruined? Or do our fees need to go up again to get that done ?
How about all the landscaping the snow removal company ruined?
How about the NEW roofs that leak. Spoke to a dozen people that said it NOW leaks but didn't before.
How about going for a permit to make my patio bigger..GETTING REJECTED BUT the guy in the white van can do it for $1000 bucks ?
How about making the recreation areas usuable?
What happened to the speed bumps I paid for ? 2 seasons in use then in the garbage ? Do I get a refund ?
How about the walkway lights...you replaces them 2 years ago and they people that installed them did a horrible job and the landscaper used the weed whacker on them and they are ruined ?
You put up new privacy fences but the landscaper is chopping away at the main posts with the weed wacker. So they will look like crap in 3 years.
How about the sign upon entrance that get's updated 4 times a year ?
I love the community...the HOA is corrupt and not worth anything. Honestly....on prinicipal ALONE I would rather pay $600 a month and have a professional organization run it.
The pool nearest the exit....how many years in a row do I need to see my money pay to have the SAME problem fixed over and over ?
They actually ran out of time last year to fix it correctly. That is also why this pool opened several weeks late. They have done a great job this time, looks good, already filled and ready to go.
I have no problem with stepping aside if somebody else wants to do the job. Contrary to what you may think, there is no line of people wanting the job.
Why would they? It is not a paid position. Very few thank you's are spoken. I pay the same common charges as everybody else in Condo 2. Most owners want more but want to pay less. Sorry to say but the Condo 2 board is not Walmart. The only reward this job offers is the knowledge that am not sitting on the sidelines.
About half of the units have their new patio fences, I still don't have mine. If we are so corrupt you would have thought I would have been the first to get a new fence. In fact, none of the board members have their new fence.
I would have time if the requirements of the job only involved evenings and weekends. I am most needed during normal work hours.
I do not understand how my resignation would make things better? A fellow board member has offered to resign in the event I do not get reelected just to create an empty position to get me back on the board. To be honest with you all, I think they would all resign to avoid having to do the job I do.
So Mr. Anonymous, I will take your opinion under advisement. Perhaps you should post your name in case there is anybody that would like to thank or blame you.
My name is Matthew DeRosa and I agee with all of the previous posts. Please enter my name in the write-in section on the ballot. Im new to the community, 2 years. I'm a Facility Manager for a fortune 100 company. I'm finishing MBA in Finance. I deal with service contracts everyday. This community has a horrible program! I agree about the conflict of interest. The man in the white van is also the person who ripped out the TV cable causing a widespread condo 3 outtage. We are lucky it wasn't gas. I would love to be the mouth piece of the community. I have met with the Chester Police and am trying to start-up a neighborood watch program. I am very interested in the affairs of Whispering Hills as my property value depends on it, as does yours!
In fairness to Jeff Jones, I spoke to him briefly on the phone and he truly seems concerned about the WH affairs. I think he needs more support to get things changed. thats where we come in!
As a perspective board member please gather information from all sides of the story.
In the Condo 3 cable TV situation the cable line was not where it was suppose to be. Second the cable TV lines are less than a foot underground. Thus, to be technical, every WH owner should be calling the dig line before digging in their garden.
"The man in the white van" saves our butts so many times. Without him we would be paying higher common charges and have greater difficulty getting things done. He is also the one responds to water line breaks and sewer line backups. Corrective measures have been put into place. So there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I cannot think of a single contractor past or present that has not screwed up.
So please take a balance approach to the problems we face.
"The man in the white van" saves our butts so many times. Without him we would be paying higher common charges and have greater difficulty getting things done. He is also the one responds to water line breaks and sewer line backups. Corrective measures have been put into place. So there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! Who cares how many times he has saves anyones butts. It's a TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. HE SHOULD NOT BE DOING OFFICIAL WH CONTRACT WORK. Let hiim advertise like EVERY OTHER contractor and get side work. IT IS A COMPLETE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND TRUST ME...IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WH GETS SUED BECAUSE OF IT.
PLUS....seeing him tool around in his LEXUS doesn't help the matter either.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST....raise the common charges and do it the right way. Do it the right way from day 1.
I absolutely love WH, it's residents, and everything about it. STOP USING THE PRICE OF COMMON CHARGES AS AN EXCUSE FOR THINGS BEING THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
That sign on West Ave. under 17 that says the road and sidewalk are closed May 21 fails to mention it will be closed for 18 months, as published in the Times Herald on page 9. All traffic, including pedestrian, will have to go right on West Ave. to 94. Pass this along to all your neighbors, especially, if they have to walk to the market or pharmacy. It wil be open for a few months in the winter.
It is not a conflict of interest. If you use that logic, then the Village of Chester should not hire any contractor that lives in Chester. Orange County should not hire any contractor that lives in Orange County. We all know that is unreasonable.
If he was a board member, then that would be a conflict of interest. The qualitity of his work is good, his prices are good, and he is very flexible.
I have yet to meet any contractor that does not have a nice car. What you really mean is that he makes a lot of money and that should disqualify him. Should we hire a contractor that is poor and drives a POS? One could argue that such a contractor is not a very good contractor.
Jeff: Sorry, but you are very wrong on this one. Anytime a resident is to dig deeper than 6" you have an obligation to call in a code 753 "811" That will notify all utility companies. That is the responsible way to approach the project.
What would make you think that any other approach is acceptable? Just business as usual? Come on Jeff you job as a board member is to protect the shared assets of our community. The person who hit the line is responsible for any damages incurred as a result of his failure to follow code 753 procedures. That is the law. As a board member one would think you would be in favor calling first.
Jeff I spoke to you on the phone and you sounded like you wanted to change things. What happened?
As I said, the problem is corrected. He is now calling for every unit instead assuming every building is the same. Because the laying of the TV cable is inconsistent and I suspect the info about its location may be incorrect, I am not convinced another will not be cut.
The rest of my post was commentary on how there appears to be no standards on minumum depths. Simple digging in a garden can cause problems. The cable companies should be required to place the cable deeper and they should be required to place it in some kind of conduit within a cetain distance from a building.
I think it is an unreasonable situation where casual digging in a garden is a violation of the rules. Should I now have to police every owner to be sure they call the dig line?
I would also like all of the shrill off-with-his-head kind of talk to stop. Do we want to make every problem into a catastrophe? Do you want me to stop the fence projects in Condo 2 and find the new contractor? I am sure that will piss off another group of owners. What exactly is your solution to this "unacceptable" problem?
Jeff You are right again...lets all be reasonable here. The contractor hitting a buried utility is reasonable. The cost of each owner who lost cable, the crew who worked all night to repair it is just sniveling complainers and need to be more reasonable. The fact that the grass in front of the old slaughterhouse looks better than mine is OK. Everyone who has voiced a concern on this site is just a do-nothing complainer who has no right to demand their dues are spent responsibly. Our board does business the way they want. Jeff you made an argument on the phone with me that most of the board members don’t even show up. You said there is a good ole boys type mentality that you would like to see changed. What’s happening? I agree that knocking the contractor because of the car he drives or the amount of work he gets is stupid! But it is incumbent upon you as a representative of our community to hold responsible the contractors who do work on OUR property.
As I asked in the previous post, what specifically do you want done? Calling it "unacceptable" does not tell me or anybody else on the boards how you think it should be resolved.
Keep in mind that the problem was in Condo 3 and I manage Condo 2 where we have not had a problem. So I will also ask what should Condo 3 do?
I have taken the action I thought was reasonable from Condo 2's perspective but apparently you feel it is not enough. It would be a waste of time to try to guess what you want, so until you provide a solution, I have no way to make you happy.
I think any resident of the community should not be allowed to do official "community" work. It only causes strife within the community. Just like POLICE can not work off hours in their OWN community. Nothing against him....but that should not be allowed.
I am sick of the whole common charge thing. Every time something isn't right or the way things should be, they threaten with raising the common charges. No matter what anyone says, or claim the way things are, someone is getting their palm greased. The guy in the white van is just one of the apparent many that are cashing in on mistakes of management. Someone needs to make informed and at the same time take responsibility, good or bad, for the result. That goes for irrational decisions the board is making as well.
BIG PROBLEM......There is too much finger pointing and excuses, not enough proactive reaction. We, the owners of these condos, are equivalent to the consumer and the board along with hoa are the merchant. Where I come from, the customer is always right. I don't think any problem or concern mention to the hoa directly, or through this website is too big or small. If someone has a concern, it should be addressed rather than going through a long drawn out formal process. That is where delinquency and corruption occurs. I don’t want to jump through hoops and see chins wagging, I want to see results. Let me put it to you like this, if a concern or issue is brought up to a few people, just those people know about it. If the same issue or concerned is brought up to the community like is on this site, it is significantly more difficult to address the situation in a complacent manner. This is part of the reason why certain people of authority are against expressing thoughts in an open environment like this.
Whats up with the hoods that hang out in the bus shelter. I walk my dog and see a bunch of kids that are rude and crude. The cops stop and talk to a few of them as if they are buddy's. What is the loitering policy???????? Can these kids just hang out doing what they do, or be kicked out of there?
Jeff: You know what you can do to make me happy...Lets take a walk. Lets take a walk with the Supervisor of the grounds crew. Lets point out the destruction on the new fenses by weedwackers. Lets point out the 6" high grass in my section. Lets point out the damage done by the landscaper "edging" mine and my neighbors garden. Lets point out to them the curbing destroyed by their plows. That right lets hold them accountable for makeing a living off of our hard earned common charges. What do you think? Will you take that walk with me?
In the consumer/merchant analogy the merchant gets paid, the board member does not. Second, the merchant provides a service or product to several customers that have no relationship to each other. Here you are part of a group and it is the happiness of the group that is important. The boards cannot possibly keep every individual happy. Third, the merchant is in business because the risk, work and reward are at acceptable levels. In this situation there is no reward. No merchant would stay in business without getting paid.
I would prefer a team analogy. The team may elect a captain. The captain cannot do all of the scoring and cannot play every defensive position. The captain works to make the whole work. The team needs each other. In this case the board is your elected captain. We work hard to make this work as best as possible given that money and time is limited. The money you pay is your contribution to to the success of the team.
You cannot go to a merchant and demand that he work harder and still expect not to pay him/her. The merchant would not except those conditions and neither do I.
The problem is not with the individuals. The problem is a lack of resources, with time being the one most scarce. My plan is to get the HOA to hire a manager. With a relatively small amount of money, we can ease the time crunch.
I will take a walk with you but know we have these problems. Given there are more problems than I have time to handle, I choose the ones that I feel are the most important. I am sure you have heard the saying "choose your battles".
I agree that the landscaping company is rough on the property. Personally I think we are large enough to have hire employees and buy equipment to do our own landscaping and snow removal. But that may be a little radical. We paid $300,000 for this service in 2006 and $345,000 in 2005.
I have no problem with finding a new solution. But on my priority list it is a medium. I still think hiring a manager will go a long way towards fixing this and other problems.
But still looking for your solution the the cut cable line. Feel free to call if you like.
Jeff: This a copy of an O&R article all reputable contractors already know this. Good news, The service is free so you wont need to raise our common charges!
Dig Safely New York
Before you break ground for a home addition, swimming pool, fence, tree planting or other project that requires excavation, drilling or digging, make sure you're clear of all underground utility lines running through your property.
Make One Toll-Free Call To get your project safely underway, make one toll-free call to your state utility notification service three days ahead of time. The service will contact all member utilities to mark the locations of underground facilities for you at no charge.
In New York, call 1-800-962-7962 In New Jersey, call 1-800-272-1000 In Pennsylvania, call 1-800-242-1776
Play It Safe Developers, contractors, excavators, equipment operators and anyone else working near our underground gas and electric lines also need to check O&R's Field Safety Guide to ensure compliance with regulations imposed by various local, state and federal authorities.
What Could Happen If You Don't Call? If your shovel or backhoe strikes an underground electric or natural gas line or communications cable, you run the risk of serious accident, injury or costly property damage. You could also disrupt essential utility service and find yourself with an expensive repair bill and legal problems.
How to Identify a Utility Marking Utility companies will mark the location of their underground facilities using either colored paint or small flags. Each type of service has its own unique color.
Color Service White Proposed Excavation Pink Temporary Survey Red Electric Yellow Gas or Oil Orange Telephone and Cable Blue Potable Water Purple Reclaimed Water Green Sewer and Drain
If a Digging Accident Occurs If a natural gas accident occurs, immediately evacuate the area and call O&R's Gas Emergency Hotline at 1-800-533-5325. For accidents involving underground electric cables, call us at 1-877-434-4100.
By the way, the cable was in the correct spot. The repairman knew immediatly where the line was hit as it was a straight line from J-box to J-box. I know this because I was there.
I already stated that the contractor will now call for every unit. He knows this information. I am asking you what additional things should be done by the Condo 3 board? What should be done by the Condo 2, even though the infraction was in Condo 3?
Should he be fired? That would put the project on hold for several weeks and make a lot of people unhappy. We would have to reapply for building permits or have the paperwork changed because of the change in contractor.
Should he be monetarily penalized?
Should compensation payable to the homeowners be requested?
Should somebody else be put in charge of calling the dig line? Who? Me? What liabilities am I assuming?
Should he be told that the next occurrance without a call will result in his termination?
What should I do with all the homeowners that maintain their own garden? There are many plants that require a hole deeper than 6 inches. Should I require a submission of a "permission to dig" form where the office calls for the homeowner? What liabilities are we assuming? Will our insurance company approve of such an arrangement?
According to the contractor, the cable was laid in the joint between the building slab and the patio he was working on. He thinks it was moved by another company that did the retaining wall. This does not mean he should not have called, it just mean that he thinks it was unavoidable even if he had. Is he telling the truth? How much time do I want to spend digging in to this matter? He now knows it is in his best interest to call so that he is protected from liability.
You called it unacceptable and I am simply trying to make you happy in this matter. If you are happy with my just getting assurances from him that he will now call, then let me know. Otherwise tell me what other actions I sould take.
Reading your recent post, I sense a bit of arrogance. It’s nice to know that you are using extortion methods in your election campaign to get re-elected.
Jeff: You took the first step in holding a contractor accountable. They are now congnizant of the fact that the HOA and its members are watching them. I'm almost smiling!
I'm not being sarcastic. I am truly happy to hear that some pressure is being put on the contractors to conduct work safetly in our neighborhood. I have seem first hand utilities hit and the destruction they cause.
Thanks for a true contribution. Aluminum may get dinged up easily and look just as ugly. But I will ask the contractor what can be done to protect the bottom of the post. Whatever it is it will have to something the is easily replaced and not ugly.
The grounds look good this year, what doesn't are the kids loitering. What can we do about this?? I posted before, no one is giving me an answer. I walk my dog and stop short of the bus shelter because shady characters, and kids are in there doing whatever. They treat it like some sort of hang out. This is a real problem here that is not being addressed. We need some neighborhood enforcement or something. I am a single woman and very concerned!
The same reason why you can't loiter in front of a store. It has nothing to do with what they are doing, it has to do with the effect that it has on the neighborhood environment. How would you feel if 10 kids were hanging around the bus terminal and you were looking to purchase a condo here? Not to mention that it is probably against village or WH regulation.
As far as your loitering questions, it is hard to do much about it, especially if they live in the complex. The PD may have their hands tied, depending on who owns that land, the village or Whispering Hills. If you have concerns, call the non-emergency number and talk to them. I myself amd getting annoyed with the speeders betwene the first stop sign and West Ave. It is beyond crazy. Mark my words, only a matte rof time before somebody gets in an accident or hit by a car. On anothe rnote, with that underpass closing next week for 18 months, kids are going to try to cross 17 to get into town. I suspect there will be issues with that this summer, and the possiblilty of more loitering as they will not be able to easily and quickly make their way over to the center and Castle.
In all fairness, Jeff is the only board member that has answered any of our questions. Thanks Jeff! If the other candidates were as sincere as proclaimed, they would be speaking as productively. The only other board member that has addressed anything remotely significant was Bruce Green.
what do you mean the police have their hands tied? If wh accounts for 50% of the population in Chester, 50% of the force should be catering to the needs of the community. I'm telling you, this summer is going to be very interesting if we don't incorporate some sort of watch program.
" As far as your loitering questions, it is hard to do much about it, especially if they live in the complex. The PD may have their hands tied, depending on who owns that land, the village or Whispering Hills. If you have concerns, call the non-emergency number and talk to them. I myself amd getting annoyed with the speeders betwene the first stop sign and West Ave. It is beyond crazy. Mark my words, only a matte rof time before somebody gets in an accident or hit by a car. On anothe rnote, with that underpass closing next week for 18 months, kids are going to try to cross 17 to get into town. I suspect there will be issues with that this summer, and the possiblilty of more loitering as they will not be able to easily and quickly make their way over to the center and Castle."
The PD can ot just chase people off land that is owned by Whispering Hills without a specific reason or complaint filed. It is private property, and if the kids live here, you can ot kick them off property they have the right to be on by living in a Whispering Hills unit or being a guest. Sounds crazy, this is just the way it is.
I would like to take that walk with you. There are things I would like to show you in Condo 2 that you may be able to help me with.
I could not find a product that specifically protected the fence posts from trimmer damage. I have the contractor investigating. Perhaps you can find something.
I found something that may be adapted by cutting it. It is at www.plasti-sleeve.com.
Hi, I'm the one that came up with the idea to wrap the posts. The only other solution to save our fences and lights would be to wrap them in some sort of wire or cage like material. Remember that the underling material is wood which means that it needs air or else rot will occur. By wrapping them with a decent gauge fencing wire this will prevent physical and environmental damage. This solution is very cost effective and simple to install, just buy a roll of heavy gauge aluminum fencing, cut them into strips and wrap posts. To secure the wrap, just use wire to weave the seams together.
That would be a great idea. If you look at our NEW garbage sheds you will see that the landscaping company has completely ruined them. The siding has been weed whacked to pieces...the sides and corners look like trash. Is it in the contract that they need to be responsible for this stuff. When I owned a home on Long Island I will tell you that if a landscaper ever did this to my home...they would be responsible 100%. I would like to know why they get away with it at our homes in WH?
Are you for real? What have you done for the community but complain and complain. Have you won million dollar law suits for the condo. Are you really a facility manager or just a janitor? It seems you know how to do everything.
Your ran for the HOA; just how did you make out?
This sounds like you. Fire everyone and let Matt take control. The HOA is corrupt; the contractors are no good, the condo boards are jerks and Matt is superman to the rescue.
Contractors will take every liberty possible to cut corners. It’s the nature of the business. They can weed whack much faster if they don’t have to take precautions to protect property. They can replace more patios and fences if they don’t have to survey utilities. After all, time is money! The ideas of cladding our fence posts are good and will most likely work. But it’s a band aide on a systemic problem. Think about it like this...
As an association we hire people to maintain our facilities. After sometime we realize the people we hired are damaging our property because of carelessness and no accountability. So as the "employer" we spend more capitol to idiot proof our facilities so the people we hired can do their work faster.
Does anyone else think this is a misappropriation of our dues? Lets start managing our contractors!!! I say we send them a bill for the damaged curbs, fence posts and trash enclosures. I bet anyone out there that the day after you send that bill you will see a supervisor on-site inspecting the work.
Who am I kidding we will use $10K of our HOA dues to put a band aide on the problem.
However wrote the “Matt are you kidding me…” section must be on the board. Just an FYI this is the first post I’ve made since 4/17 so you have me confused with someone else. My posts, if you care to read them, have laid out specific things we can do to improve our community. I have offered my services time and time again. I will meet you anytime you or the rest of the board like. I have offered to help write scope-of-work documents to help in the bidding process. I have offered to oversee the roof replacement project for free. I have met with the chief of police to start-up our neighborhood watch program. Remember sir or maim, I am not a board member. I have done this because I have a vested interest in our community. I am not surprised by your lack of knowledge before posting. Its par for the course with our board. It seems the only way you know how to have an educated conversation is to lob insults.
As for the Janitor comment, you are stupid enough to think that’s an insult!
-Matt DeRosa Best Janitor this side of the mississippi
PS the last post was mine too I forgot to sign it!
Who is in charge off appropriating funds here? There are many things that need attention and are not being addressed. As a resident, the damage that is occurring aggravates me. The money that is being spent frivolously on repairs is the exact reason why they are occurring. The problems are very easy to address, either comply or we find a new company to the job. By saving a few dollars here and there, we can afford to attend to some other neglected areas of the complex, like the tennis and basketball courts and adding recreational outputs that will increase not only the monetary value of our property but also neighbor relations.
Bottom line, the service companies that we contract should be supervised better and left accountable for their negligence. (Can someone answer this question?) Who is currently in charge of overseeing the workmanship of the companies that do business with Whispering Hills?
The election didn't work out so good. I was not on the ballot and I did not get elected. I'm ok with that. I still have the background and knowledge to save our community money and resources. I offer my time and expertise for free. I will continue with the neighbor hood watch program while you decide how to waste our money on fence post protection instead of managing our contractors!
What is frustrating is that there is the "everything is ok" attitude here and the "don't stir up the bees nest" mentality. Things will never change with this type of thinking, just deteriorate. You make the choice!
Look at the above posts. I made suggestions and I was called a janitor. I was tols all I do is complain. I am willing to volunteer my time to do anything to better our community even manual labor! You tell me how this janitor can help and I'm there!
Matt, Obviously a disgruntled individual posted the negativity. From what I read, you have contributed more than people officially involved with the complex. I'm sorry you didn't win the elections, a too little too late situation. If you had more preparation I think the outcome would have been different. For all intensive purposes, I voted for you.
Hold on, 2 questions, who won the 1 mil settlement for us and who is responsible for making the initial decision to hire the negligent company who did the bogus work?
What this community needs is leadership and it is quite evidents by your last couple of post that you lack leadership ability. Your should work within the community guide lines and just not make up your own rules. Join your board don't critize them.
Did your board or HOA ask you to go to the Chester police or did you just think this up and decide that it is ok to takes matters into your own hands.
Million dollar settlement? For what and what is the plan for that money? As far as contrators, get rid of them all! For what you pay them, you can hire betweee 5 and 10 employees with benefits.
What this community needs is leadership and it is quite evidents by your last couple of post that you lack leadership ability. Your should work within the community guide lines and just not make up your own rules. Join your board don't critize them.
Did your board or HOA ask you to go to the Chester police or did you just think this up and decide that it is ok to takes matters into your own hands.”
I had to laugh when I just read this, I nearly fell out of my chair. Man, you are bashing him about his leadership abilities and then bashing him for taking the initiative going to chester pd and didn’t he just try to join the board ……..lol…… You are a very confused person.
Matt, I commend you for taking initiative. I think it shows leadership ability that you are even here trying to help find solutions.
Why don't we have the curbs in the parking lot secured down with rebar? people and the plowing company hit them and move them all over the place. I'm more po'ed about the winter crew than the summer crew. They were nonexistent this winter and when they did decide to plow it was half a@# and done in a destructive manner. It would also be nice for them to come back after the winter season and fix the signs that they knock every which way which presents a big eyesore when driving through the complex.
Thanks for the support guys. I'm baffeled by the ignorance of some of these people. To the person who asked if I went to the Chester PD on my own...Please read the numerous posts that are inquiring about the status of the watch program.
Please tell me where I made up my own rules?
I'll say it again...This community has the resources to better itself from within. We are a community of Police Officers, Firemen, construction workers, probably some janitors, doctors, lawyers, facility Managers, Etc. Together there is nothing we can't accomplish. It seems the board is trying to protect its ivory tower and belittle anyone who questions its decisions. I may not be the great leader of the 21st century, I never claimed to be. I do know this, from day one the only board member who has had anything positive to say on this blog is Jeff Jones. We may not all agree with him but he has made some good points.
The others lob insults when challanged instead of trying to unite our community.
My friends and neighbors have warned me that this would happen. They said any suggestions for the board are met with anger and name calling.
To the person who said I make up my own rules and called me a janitor...you wear your insecurities on your sleve. Why is it so difficult for you to have an objective discussion? I also challange that person to sit down with me and lets talk about ways to improve our community!
Ditto Matt's post. Rather than looking like it as progress, anything objectionable is met with controversy. Things in life don’t get done like this people, it discourages progression and weakens the community. It seems that since matt put his best foot forward and approached the Chester Pd, there has been a significant increase in police activity! Keep up your persistence, there are already positive things will coming from it.
Why do you keep bashing the condo boards. I'm not on the board and I am not on the HOA. I live here just like you.
You have made your self the self appointed director. If you want to make a difference join your board. Play by the rules don't just take it upon yourself to take charge.
I was a write in candidate for the board. My name was not on the ballot and I did not get elected.
I am not a self appointed director, I'm sorry if I come across that way. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong and how I can do a better job expresing my views. You are correct the problem is harvesting the volunteers. I'm trying to do that. Should I step back? If so will the board do it?
As the blog states in its description, it is a forum in which we can express opinion and comment openly. No one here has violated anything here. It is apparent anonymous is looking to sabotage the positive atmosphere with his uninformed mind games.
Anonymous, Your thought process is very transparent. Take your anger and apply it to positive thinking and how we can better work together to improve the community. Work with the grain and build upon what is being presented rather than tear it down like you would like to do. If you want to point a finger, point at yourself, the true reason why there is a shortage of people involved with the process.
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that the board members HIDE like chickens behind ANONYMOUS posts and Matt signs each and every one. Shows his integrity.
This place is a JOKE. I am so glad I just live there and don't participate in any of this crap. I am out making a living for my family....I raised my kids...I don't need another set of them called "board members".
Hey Matt....use your time more wisely in the future. Put your energy toward something useful...for people that will listen. I feel bad for you Matt....you are absolutely wasting your time. Go on na trip and be happy.
Thanks for all your work...I am asking you to stop now....why, because I feel for the time you are wasting...life it WAY to short to waste it on Whispering Hills.
Anonymous, I'm sorry but that is a seriously low class attitude to have. You sound like a baby kicking and screaming. If there weren’t board members and some sort of regulation here, this place would be a hell hole!!!! With that type of attitude our real estate prices would be crap. Do you rent or own? You sound like a renter that doesn't give a damn!!
This web site is full of nothing but a bunch of complainers. I don't see how this web site can fulfill any other purpose other than to voice complaints.
333 comments:
1 – 200 of 333 Newer› Newest»I think they need to get the kids off of the roads in the community.
The solution is to build better parks within Whispering Hills.
The current 2 parks are pathetic, a few swings and a slide!!
All the money we pay in fees, you think they would expand the parks at the same rate as our community.
I have an opinion about how to secure the community and prevent loitering. I feel the HOA should employ a security guard that drives around the entire premises 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If it is costly then cut the time from dusk till dawn.
I feel we should have a Whispering Hills summer basketball league for adult residents.
We have the court space to make this happen. Would anyone be interested in participating in something like this?
Mike,
I will post your blog under Q & A along with it being posted here. I, for one, would be interested in playing summer league basketball.
If anyone is interested in possibly forming a summer basketball league please email me at whisperinghillsblog.yahoo.com. If we get enough responses, I will present it to the HOA.
Thanks Mike, great idea!!
The Boss
Hi there,
Just wanted to mention the amount of deer recently sighted at the whispering hills complex. They come up on my patio at night.
Boss,
I think residents of WH should be aware of the ongoing bird problem. You may ask "what bird problem"?
The problem occurs when the birds nest in the laundry dryer and other expel vents. This blocks the dryer and expel vents the ability to do what they are suppose to.
Question, can this cause a fire? If so, who is responsible to clean the vent out?
I have to admit, for a fairly large complex they take care of the larger tasks well.
My only gripe is with the dump. The way it is now, if you do not make it up there between HOA hours you cant dump.
I wish they would make it more accessible to normal working people.
Great Opinion and Comments, Keep them coming.
The Boss
Whispering Hills is a great place to live and raise children. Without a doubt one of the safest communities around orange county.
I don't know if everyone is aware of the new cable packages they are offering to the residents of WH.
Very Cheap!
At least we are getting something for our common charges.
Boss
Is there anyway you can add a local sports page to this thing. It would be a nice addition considering there are many student athletes who live in the complex.
Hi,
My post is about the price of real estate in the complex. I am very happy with my investment(my condo) I purchased a few years ago. The HOA maintains and runs this place well, I guess thats why the price of my place is stable in a depressed real estate market.
Convenient to RT 17, this complex is a gem in the rough!!
This is a fantastic idea! Kudos the founder!
1) I'm a Facility Manager by profession and the conditions on our site are deplorable! The grounds crew is obviously unsupervised. Has anyone else noticed that they do an exceptional job maintain the lawns along the main road while the other areas are neglected?
2) If I allowed the snow removal company on my site to destroy the curbs with no retribution...I would be fired! There is no reason why we should accept damage from plowing!
3) The issue of loitering is a big problem with ramifications that extend well beyond our properties. At some point, most people will be looking to sell there units and I can tell you the perception Whispering Hills has defiantly impacts our property value NEGATIVLY! The spray painted stop sign is the first impression every new home owner sees. I understand it belongs to the town, that’s no excuse...Remember WH makes up over 50% of Chester's voting population.
4) We are a dog friendly community and unfortunately some people don’t respect their neighbors. I have some ideas we can do to help this along if anyone is interested.
I am seriously interested in an adult basketball league. I know of at least 4 or 5 other residents that would participate as well. Is somemone planning on organizing this?
As a longtime resident,
I agree with all the problems that are present in the Whispering Hills Community. I also agree with the the second poster up. Why should we be accountable for negligence!
The reason for my email is that the HOA appear to be ineffective in ensuring that the bylaws are adhered to. At the last board meeting the HOA asked unit owners to do more in the community but now we wonder what we are paying condo fees for.
Question,
What are my rights as a unit holder to ensure that the board is in fact carrying out their duties and not taking a passive stance? Is there anything we can do to ensure that the bylaws are adhered to if the board won't?
Help!
Concerned Owner
Boss,
We have noticed great difficulty finding persons willing to be on the Board. What can be done if there are no volunteers willing to participate?
Thanks
There are generally a variety things that can cause apathy to result. The most common is that owners don't feel they have anything of real value to offer, in other words they are not needed, and that the existing board is doing just fine so why change things. When apathy results it is usually because the current board did not make the owners feel important and included in the operation of the corporation property.
The vast majority of owners in a condominium do not realize that the investment they have in the condominium property is impacted by the management style and that for this reason they need to be involved in the management, whether directly as a board member or indirectly as an interested owner. This also adds to the apathy factor. Providing information to owners is part of the solution.
The Boss
Pertaining to summer basketball league:
We need indication of interest!!
Question for the basketball post?
Do you want to get a few guys together for a pickup game or organize a league?
If you are interested in the latter I will place a section on this blog over the next few days in order for individuals to sign up on "indication of interest basis".
If the majority resonates toward the league idea, once I receive 10 or 15 indications, we will present it to the H.O.A.
Let me know..
The Boss
The pools should be open later at night so people who work can take advantage of them after work.
I went to my first, and last board meeting 1 1/2 years ago. The bickering about stuff that was not relevant to the meeting was pathetic. There were personal attacks goign on between board members and residents. An agenda needs to be set, and stuck to. I felt nothing got accomplished and it was a waste of my time.
Thank you all for you fabulous posts, and the positive comments offered on our blog.
Remember, "The Whispering Hills Blog" is non profit. The only thing that keeps me going is your encouraging comments.
Please keep them coming!!!
The Boss
I agree with the prior posts about the HOA meetings. I have been to a few and realized attending was a waste of time. Arguments, nothing gets done, it was a joke.
The individual(s) who started this blog should be in charge of organizing these meetings. The way it is now, my time is better well spent sitting in front of my computer and expressing thoughts to people that will listen.
To the Anonymous poster who has a way to solve the dog curbing problem.
Well done!
You presented your concerns and opinions well. I would be very interested in you sharing your solution with our community.
Thanks,
The Boss
Hi I live in the 3000's.
What is the deal with the sudden increase in maintenance fees? I know they are putting a new roof on soon and believe that is the reason for the spike. Does anyone have any information on how much this is costing us in the end?
I am also posting this under questions.
Good Day,
g
Pools should be open later, I agree. I can't count how many times I commute home in 95 degree weather thinking about that.
Answering the question about what happened if nobody ran for office....We would need a management company, which means a steep increase in monthly dues, I am willing to be more than double. There was a recent aticle in the paper about this and there were some subtle threats this may be coming in the future to get people to stand up and volunteer. WE DO NOT WANT A MANAGEMET COMPANY.
You said....."WE DO NOT WANT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY."
True but.... We need a better management system!!! If they can't do the job, they need to get someone in there who can!!
Any comments on the new Lows Super Center they are planning on putting on the old Chester Hyde and Skin site?
My opinion is that this is getting out of hand. How can they do that to this area??? I am so furious that the planning boards along with the local Governments are approving this type of expansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We do not have a management company now, we have an Association. If we get a management company, you can expect your monthly fees to go to $400-600 month, easily. Not only would we have to pay for the salaries, but they will want to make a profit and they will, by adding a fee in. There is a difference between what we have now and a management company. I know some employees we have now make a salary, but Whispering Hills is still not run by a management company.
I am sorry, I misunderstood and misread your e-mail, you are correct, and I agree. However, many would not be able to stay here with that big bump in monthly dues. Sorry for the confusion and misunderstanding on my part. Maybe we need a complete management overhaul from top to bottom.
Expansion is not always bad, it brings money in that helps keep our taxes down. I know that expansion brings problems with it, like increased traffic. That is the only bad thing I can see with this project. They need to rework that Rt 17/Rt 94 interchange, mainly by chaning light cycles and allowing rights on red. I would really like to see a schematic on what the plan is to see how the building and parking will be positioned before I can make up my mind if it is good or bad.
Expansion is one thing...What they are proposing is criminal.
They need to get on the ball. They need to change the Greeting Sign coming into the complex.I noticed this morning it said something like meeting Feb 22nd.
Shows the pace that they are getting things done around here.
Those signs can be used for something productive.
The swings and basketball nets are up.
Hi Whispering Hills,
I am extremely pleased to see that you all are presenting some pretty legitimate comments, opinions, and concerns.
As I mentioned in a few sections on our blog, I am working on getting Whispering Hills more involved with the answer process. I hope to have something done this week that will provide answers to some of the more specific questions of our Community.
Thanks Again,
The Boss
THEY'RE BUILDING A LOWES HERE?????
Not only in Chester but around the corner from our complex? We have a Lowes, 2 HomeDepots, a Tractor Supply and several small hardware stores all within 10 miles (the max) of Chester. Why do we need this?????
This has just ruined my entire day. Is it a done deal?
Hi Kristine and prior Posters on this Topic,
*Pertaining to the Lowe's Home Improvement Center that a few Community Members stressed concerns and opinions about.
I posted the article under the News section of our blog. It will explain what they are proposing.
Being an unbiased party “The Editor” of this blog, my stance is a neutral one. Though there are many factors that will influence your opinion about this topic, I listed a few comments and questions that will enter the minds of everyone that reads this story.
Increase in local job opportunities
Injection of revenue into the local economy
Improved facilities
Modernization / State of the art
Convince
Some other things to consider:
How would our taxes be affected?
Traffic
Construction congestion
Noise
Can the municipalities handle the expansion?
Pollution
Again, I must take a firm neutral stance. These points are just a few of many the reader of the article will have and want to comment about.
I would love to hear additional comments and opinions.
Thank You ALL for your Posts,
The Boss
April 15, 2007
Summer is comming and I can guarantee that once people start walking around the grounds like I did last week, there will be many more posts here.
How about this idea Boss,
Under Q & A someone recommended renting out the clubhouses. My idea is that they would also rent out tents,tables chairs, that sort of thing for outdoor events. The only problems I could see arising is the area they would designate for these events. But hey, if they can make additional money on renting the facilities, they should do it.
About the towing company they are using.
They seem to be doing an alright job, a big improvement over the last losers who drove around picking up cars when they felt like it.
My idea is that HOA invests in a used tow truck, employ someone person on a % basis to drive the truck and tow cars, keep all the impounded cars up by the dump in a fenced in area, charge $75-100 per car.
You give the driver a cellphone, give the residents the number and create a 24 – 7, towing hotline to cut down on the guy driving around burning gas.
Think about it, 10 cars picked up a week @ 100 = $1000.00. The numbers I am using are probably on the conservative side. You can do the math and figure that it would be extremely profitable for the complex if they implement something like this. 50k a year minus insurance, maintenance on the truck, paying the driver, gas.
The renting out of the clubhouse or any common property is a violation of the prospectus. Common property, with the exception of the patios, cannot be set aside for any personal use. You cannot change the prospectus.
For the blogger with the solution to the dog poop problem, please feel free to share it with the board. If it as good an idea as you think it is, it should be implemented ASAP.
The basketball league is a great idea and doesn't need approval by the board, but the recreation dept. should be involved to help administer it if you would like.
Bottom line, don't be turned off by a bad experience at a board meeting. Show yourself and participate in your community.
Yes, I am a board member, elected by you to represent you, not dictate to you.
Signed, Bruce Green
I would play basketball in an organized adult summer league.
Bruce,
Thank You for your response. It's great see Board Members interested in adding support to our Community. If you can answer any other questions or concerns of other bloggers, please feel free to do so.
Pertaining to the Adult Summer Basketball League proposal:
Can you provide us with a contact name, phone number or email address of the appropriate person to speak to in the Recreation Department.
Thanks Again,
The Boss
Mr. Green:
Thank you for the response to my suggestion of renting the clubhouses. I did not know the prospectus governed this. Why can't it be changed if that’s what the majority of homeowners want (Truthfully, I'm not sure it is)?
Does the HOA have a standard or a base line as I call it, for maintaining the parks and grounds? Does anyone from the HOA inspect the work of the grounds crew and if so, are they satisfied with the level of service?
The primary purpose of a HOA is to protect and preserve the value of the private and commonly used property of their association. Does the board feel the conditions of the tennis courts and dog runs reflect this incumbent responsibility? Do you think the grounds crew removes snow in a manner consistent with a community who takes pride in their facilities? Do you think the board is satisfied with the overall performance of our grounds crew? I think there is a disconnect somewhere between the contractors hired to perform a service for the HOA members and the board itself. Being on the board has to be a difficult job. I would guess that 95% of the interaction these members have with the community is when the community is unhappy with something. I commend the work they do, as I know it has to come with a personal cost. However, we members pay fees in return for a service. It is up to us as member to demand that these services are in alignment with the dues we pay. Its obvious by the creation of this blog and the responses it has generated that, most of us feel shorted. Most of the issues raised are no more than the Board holding the contractors responsible for the work they have been hired to perform.
Matt
About Whispering Hills becoming a towing company, bad idea, too much liability.
I have another idea for the recreation department. How about a horseshoe pit, a bocce court or both for us old-timers? It wouldn’t take up much space or cost much. I would even volunteer to help install them (It’s very easy). Anyone else interested?
Letter Sent to Whispering Hills H.O.A. from Whispering Hills Blog
*** In an effort to keep the Community informed of recent developments, I am posting the letter which was presented to the Whispering Hills H.O.A. from Whispering Hills Blog.
The letter states the following;
Hi Whispering Hills H.O.A.,
It is amazing that when people have resources to communicate candidly, openly and freely, they speak louder and more effectively.
It is a thrill to inform you that this week I started “The Official” Whispering Hills Community Blog. By overwhelming response, I feel it is in our community’s best interest to inform the Whispering Hills H.O.A. about our recent developments. I am writing this letter to offer an opportunity to Management of this facility to comment and respond to certain issues and concerns of our Residents. If you would please navigate to the following webpage you will be informed of exactly what situation is occurring.
www.whisperinghillsblog.blogspot.com
It is evident that there are many questions that need to be addressed by qualified Management of Whispering Hills.
I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions about how you can interact with our Community through our blog.
Please email me at: whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com
* Disclaimer: any messages or letter transmittal between “The Whispering Hills Blog” Personnel and the Whispering Hills H.O.A. may be published on “The Official” Whispering Hills Blog.
Thank You,
The Boss
Mr.Green,
Now I’m ticked off. Maybe that’s the problem!
The board should be looking at what people are saying here rather than relying on the old, ineffective way. You telling people to present them to the HOA is ridiculous. If residents had the gumption to do that, all these thing would be happening right now! Do you really think any of these ideas, comments, opinions, problems would ever be made aware of if you had to present them your way? I’m tired of getting the runaround here.
K
K:
I agree with your comments. However, I don't think its that the members don't have gumption. At least thats not the case for me. I would rather be patronized in the comfort of my living room as opposed to a board meeting in the clubhouse. I have raised all of my comments posted above in person, at the board meetings. I heard good ideas...no follow-up, no resolve. So I will continue to voice my suggestions while trying to limit my judgements. Honestly, the board makes it very difficult for me to do that. The fact that they have not responded to this blog speaks volumns!!!
Matt
We live in a nice community. No problems here, just some of the smaller stuff. I would like to see some of the petty things taken care of. Even though the management makes an effort, there is still a communication gap, there is no unity, just pent up resentment?
Boss,
I broke some #'s down.
hoa average monthly fee $300
X
690 units
X
12 months
Rounding up this place takes in 2.5 million dollars + a yr.
Where is the $ going??
If the HOA fails to respond to your letters, then we must take action as a community, up to and including cleaning house.
Where is the money going? First, not all are paying that high monthly maintenance. Then add in the cost of landscaping, plowing, the pool operations and employees, taxes, garbage removal, cable etc.. it all adds up, honestly, I do not think we can complain if it is only costing 2.5 million a year. I would like to see what the breakdown is though.
As a Facility Manager, $2.5 million dollars seems about right for the size of the facility. However, the workmanship does not.
I would also love to see the budget. I know they send out a financial statement once a year. Would that have that information in it?
It should, but interestingly, I do not recall ever seeing that sent to me.
2.5 million is alot of money even for a large complex like this. If the things that you mention cost over 2 million bucks, someone is getting rich here.
I think its in bad taste to assume someone is getting rich off our contract. I bet the grounds (mowing and snow removal) make up 75% of that cost. Then you add the pools (maintenance, lifeguards, insurance), trash removal (It cost the average home in Monroe $150 a year or $12.50 mo. for trash removal) 150X690= $103,500. Maintenance and upkeep of clubhouses, tv packages for 690 units, utility costs for shared areas, Etc.
I do think we should take a closer look at the books, but to assume someone is getting rich before poor management of funds is at a minimum not fair!
Matt
I have to agree that $2.5 million is not out of line for the complex this size, I highly doubt it is being "taken" for personal gain. I would like to see what we are paying for what though.
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm making a statement. If the amount of money is that significant, we are not getting what we are paying for.
I like the neighborhood watch idea. I remember crime was a problem in Edision NJ years ago. They started a neighborhood watch, it helped with some of the crime problems. I think its all about making people aware.
Anyone else notice that there is a high level of chlorine in the water? I have a filter on my sink that I have to change every month.
Attention:
>>ADULT SUMMER LEAGUE BASKETBALL<<
I have created a proposal to present to the Whispering Hills H.O.A. for the individuals interested in participating.
I need a indication of interest of at least 30 participants. If you are interested in playing, email me at whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com.
Thank You,
The Boss
Whispering Hills Community,
Off the topic… We want to thank You all for your support up to this point in our project. The more you post the more we realize how important it was to create this Blog.
Now… I want to provide my observation not my opinion. Solely on current posts, it seems like the mood of our Community is negatively neutral. As a few bloggers stated in so many words, we need to fill the communication gap between WH H.O.A. and Residents.
Again…We are diligently working on getting the Whispering Hills H.O.A. involved. They have not responded to our letters, a second was sent yesterday.
Also… We are working on a new site (Kristine), which will be more adaptable and functional. Remember, this is a blog, not a website. (A blog is a slimmed down version of a full, interactive website).
We hope this Blog will fill some of the void in communication.
Your posts support us!
Thank You All,
The Boss
I agree with the boss 100% that the biggest problem and issue is communication between the HOA and the owners.
Why is Whispering Hills not responding to this??
I believe this blog will do more damage than good.
This is open to anybody on the internet. This will attract those that want to complain more than those that are content. What do you suppose that does to the value of our homes?
The people on the 5 boards spend a lot of time serving the community. They are not compensated nor do they get reduced common charges. The behavior of a few owners discourage others from serving. Open positions on the boards are not uncommon. For a long time, Condo 4 did not have a working board. How does this help fill those positions?
As Condo 2 president, I spend a lot of time on day-to-day operations. This includes soliciting bids, managing a roofing project, managing a fence replacement project, dealing with maintenance issues. It goes on and on. I do this and work a full-time job. I have no excess time to do more. Would you volunteer to be responsible for the maintenance for 156 units? Somebody has to do it.
We suffer from 3 shortages: time, money and knowledge. We can fix the lack of time and knowledge by hiring outside help. But that means we have to raise the common charges. Is that acceptable?
Attendance at open meetings only spikes after a raise in common charges. Are we right to conclude the number one issue is the money? Have any of you considered spending time to survey what other comparable condominiums collect in common charges?
We have had open meetings where only one owner shows. You should able to understand why I am indignant about people
who think they are helping sitting on their butts in front of a computer typing speculative and damaging remarks.
The best way to help is to back away from the computer and offer your time or expertise to your board. You can run for a position or even get yourself appointed to an open position. At the very least use facts in your comments.
To "The Boss", use your expertise to help complete our web site that is under development. To the Facilities Manager, why are you not offering your expertise? Are you afraid to be involved? To the rest of the writers, if you want better communications, how about volunteering your time to revive our newsletter, The Whisperer? How about some of you dog owners banding together to patrol the others that do not pickup after their dogs?
I think you should all be thankful that there is a dedicated group of volunteers who run this place. Your common charges does not give any owner the right to demand that volunteers work more time than they are capable. Without them we would not be able to put most of the money back into the community.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 Pres
Sign is changed, someone listened.
Jeff Jones,
Sounds like your more concerned about the value of your home than improving the quality of the community for people who are planning on living here today, tomorrow & the future.
..... and what owners demanded that you volunteer more time then you are capable of???... We only demand that what we are paying for is what we are getting. It means demanding better quality of work from our maintenance & service providers
Maybe if your website had been created years ago( Like it should have been.) homeowners would have had an interactive way to post maintenance complaints and you would have had documentation needed to get better results from service providers.
...and maybe if this blog was here years ago we would already have found solutions to concerns.
If we keep approaching things the same traditional ways without results then nothing will change.
In todays busy society the ability to communicate via a convenient outlet is the best way to reach out most efficiently & effectively to a large group.
Obviously based on the number of posts on this blog over such a short amount of time compared to the lack of attendance at Board meetings is evidence enough.
V,
I was refering to the open letter to the HOA. The solution to communications proposed in that letter is to have board memebers spend additional time blogging. So instead of 3 open meetings a year, I now get to spend additional time having one continuous open meeting on a blog because owners do not want to spend a total of 12 hours every year to go to an open meeting or pickup the phone to call the office with their complaint. The proposal in that leeter is simply not feasible.
I suppose I can spend my evenings blogging instead of finishing a letter to owners that I started in January. I suppose I do not have to spend time getting the fence replacement project started.
The point is that I do not have any more time to give. Considering the number of hours I spend managing Condo 2, I consider it quite reasonable for owners to come an open meeting to get their information instead of shifting the burden on a overtaxed board.
So the only solution to this is to assess averybody $5 per month so that we can hire an employee to be in charge of communications.
Even if an electronic medium was used, we still have to produce mailings with the same info for those without internet access who are typically older folks.
What is really insulting is the assertions made without any fact to back it up. I am amazed that you can say you are not getting a good value for your buck without any facts. Have you done a comparative analysis of other condos? Have poured over our financials to determine where there is waste? You just want to sit at your computer and make assertions without the burden of proof?
In the end, you can't just sit in a chair and pronounce things bad. Thanks for the monumental effort. Excuse the sarcasm. I am sure this will be the death of volunteerism at WH.
I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2
V,
I was refering to the open letter to the HOA. The solution to communications proposed in that letter is to have board memebers spend additional time blogging. So instead of 3 open meetings a year, I now get to spend additional time having one continuous open meeting on a blog because owners do not want to spend a total of 12 hours every year to go to an open meeting or pickup the phone to call the office with their complaint. The proposal in that leeter is simply not feasible.
I suppose I can spend my evenings blogging instead of finishing a letter to owners that I started in January. I suppose I do not have to spend time getting the fence replacement project started.
The point is that I do not have any more time to give. Considering the number of hours I spend managing Condo 2, I consider it quite reasonable for owners to come an open meeting to get their information instead of shifting the burden on a overtaxed board.
So the only solution to this is to assess averybody $5 per month so that we can hire an employee to be in charge of communications.
Even if an electronic medium was used, we still have to produce mailings with the same info for those without internet access who are typically older folks.
What is really insulting is the assertions made without any fact to back it up. I am amazed that you can say you are not getting a good value for your buck without any facts. Have you done a comparative analysis of other condos? Have poured over our financials to determine where there is waste? You just want to sit at your computer and make assertions without the burden of proof?
In the end, you can't just sit in a chair and pronounce things bad. Thanks for the monumental effort. Excuse the sarcasm. I am sure this will be the death of volunteerism at WH.
I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2
To Jeff Jones....This Blog is a good idea. Maybe it needs to be changed a little bit to make it work better and in a different way. Last time I went to a Board Meeting, it was a pathetic joke. There were 12 of us there. I was the last one there after 2 hours. There was no agenda. It turned into a personal battle between Gene and the other 10 people that were there and they all walked out. The garbage that was being spewed from both sides was absurd, and both sides crossed the line. It appears that there are too many personal issues being fought at at these meetings. I for one do not have to time, nor will I, to go there to sit through the garbage I did 1 1/2 years ago. I almost feel to the floor when I heard some of the things coing out of Gene's mouth. And the other residence were not much better. Some of your points in your blog were valid and are worth looking into. As far as thanking you, I will thank you for what you do. I have no problem with that. Thanks for all your help and time. Also, What kind of knowledge are you looking for? Maybe there are some in the complex who will be willing to give some time, and this knowledge, to better the community.
Mr. Jones:
Your comments were very telling. Your lack "out-of-the-box" thinking is obvious. You said:
"We suffer from 3 shortages: time, money and knowledge. We can fix the lack of time and knowledge by hiring outside help. But that means we have to raise the common charges. Is that acceptable?"
You have an association of over 700 people. They are Policeman, Fireman, Lawyers, Facility Managers, ETC. Together, there is no problem(s) we can’t solve. You could not have been clearer in illustrating the “us v. them” mentality. Instead of trying to unite the talents of our HOA, you "threaten us with higher common charges."
I commend what you do, as I have stated many times before in this Blog. I know it comes with a high personal cost. I have offered my services as a Facility Manager and will continue to do so! I would be happy to oversee our contractors, help with bid packages, plant flowers, remove trash, Etc. You name it I'll help do it. I have offered many solutions to problems I see in our community, including starting a neighborhood watch program, ideas on curbing dogs, bringing in excess revenue to HOA in an effort to offset dues, Etc. So next time you lob complaints about what’s not happening in this forum you should try reading it first!
This form did not just appear. Someone volunteered time and resources to create it and maintain it. There intent is obvious. It was not done with malice toward the Board. It was not created as a grip fest. I believe it was created to fill a void that exists within our community. One that makes people feel like their complaints and suggestions fall on deaf ears. I have been to your board meetings. I have heard members say things like “hey, you voted for me!” I have seen people shot down when trying to suggest things (some are pretty silly) but cutting them down in a meeting discourages others from wanting to participate. You said: “To the Facilities Manager, why are you not offering your expertise? Are you afraid to be involved? How does this type of rhetoric help community involvement?
Another thing, you say “This is open to anybody on the internet. This will attract those that want to complain more than those that are content. What do you suppose that does to the value of our homes? Do you read the newspapers? Have you read the articles bashing our overzealous towing contractors? How does that help our property value?
Have you ever solicited help for the association members? One of the board members is a retired cop. Security has been a big issue with our community. Has anyone thought of asking him to help start a neighborhood watch program? Have you ever suggested asking him to partner with the local police to get a cooperative relationship on how to deal with security issues? Have you ever tried to put individual talents to work on a part time basis?
One more thing: You wrote: “I challenge at least one person to call a board member and thank them for their time and efforts.” Did you not see these posts?
Ø About the towing company they are using.
They seem to be doing an alright job, a big improvement over the last losers who drove around picking up cars when they felt like it.
Ø Being on the board has to be a difficult job. I would guess that 95% of the interaction these members have with the community is when the community is unhappy with something. I commend the work they do, as I know it has to come with a personal cost.
Ø I have to admit, for a fairly large complex they take care of the larger tasks well.
Mr. Jones, please read before commenting. I would be happy to meet with you about the idea we have been able to freely toss around through this forum. Some have been very good and worth exploring.
By the way…see how long this post is…I could have done the newsletter. But I never knew we even had one. Sound like a communication problem to me? What do you think Mr. Jones?
-Matt
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for your post.
At the risk of being abrasive, I want to take a step back here. I would again like to explain why this blog was created, the benefits, and concern issue. It is apparent from your post you didn’t read the entire site.
I absolutely couldn’t disagree with you more, let me tell you why.
This blog is 24 hour a day 7 day a week project. We are committed to improving Community functionality along with it being a "real time” voice for Residents. Anyone with a concern or opinion can at any time of the day or night and post their thoughts anonymously if they choose. Surely you are not suggesting by your opening statement that you just want to accommodate Community Members that are happy with the way things are and sweep the others under a rug. Are you?
Just an observation but;
If all concerns were addressed, in some cases years ago, there would be a more positive overall connotation and demeanor amongst our Residents. Let’s face it; the more outlets of communication in any business or community, the more likely things will get done. If you don’t agree with that then it would make sense that we are in the situation we are in.
I would like to reiterate what the site disclaimer states on the first page of this blog.
Section 4 of the disclaimer states the following:
4) We are not problem solvers, nor do we have influence over the Whispering Hills H.O.A to solve problems that our members post. Whispering Hills Blog is here to act simply as a middleman between You, The Community, Whispering Hills H.O.A, and Local Government Authority. We do not guarantee results!
The question you brought “How does this help fill those positions” is pretty much answered by the above paragraph and thought the Whispering Hills Blog.
Look, I understand that being on the Condo Board must be tedious. As you stated, there are many issues that need to be face. I know that if I had what would appear to be resentment, and took a “professional victim” stance because of the present situation, I would reinvent the current process and procedure. I would be inclined to speak to the residents of the entire Community rather than segregate them to one specific zone. Don’t you think a resident in the 4000’s has a right to speak about an issue he or she has with another zone in the complex? After all when that person goes to sell his/her house, the potential buyer must still drive through the entire Complex.
Quite frankly, no one has the time to attend 5 condo board meetings. (Simply and observation but) the way you are portraying your duties, I can see why there are more Residents not involved.
Another comment I would like to address is the 3 shortages issue you brought up. There are People in this Community that are more than willing to commit a portion of their time to community projects (dog runner, bocce court, summer basketball league). I would like to think that since you hold an important position in our Community, that you are a fairly intelligent man. I would also hope that you would see the potential in getting more people involved with improving the Community rather than outsource and pay for it. That is what is occurring now and contributing to the overall negative feeling you are getting from some of the posts. Residents feel like they are getting short changed.
If there was some sort of quality control in place between the H.O.A. and all of these services and business they are hiring to perform functional duties, I think it would shift the scale the other way. Rather than “indignant” like you say you are, embrace Residents, shake a few hands, and ditch the callus attitude. As the old saying goes, “You catch more flies with honey”
My observation on the degree of contradiction in your post coincides with the present communication gap between residents and management. In one section you state the 3 shortages we have, money being most important and in the next paragraph you mention something about attendance at meetings spike after common charges are raised. You question the integrity of the community by asking “Are we right to conclude the number one issue is money”>>>>>>> I think you answered your own question!
As far as the attack on everyone that has provided opinions and concerns on this blog, I feel we have accomplished more in one week than the management of this facility has in 3 years. This is not speculation, it’s based upon the facts that you provided. If people feel more comfortable in front of their computer then so be it. Entertain, accommodate, and adapt to current standards and deal with it in a positive way.
I want to address Whispering Hills H.O.A.. Actions speak louder than words, if there is any sort of speculation involved with any of the posts, they should appoint someone to address them along with the other questions Residents may have. There has been absolutely no communication between them and us. Note: we have sent out two letters notifying them of this blog.
I will stop there before I say something incriminating.
In conclusion, it is extremely apparent you did not read the entire blog. There are people willing to help out the community and solutions being provided but because of lack of communication, these things are not getting done!
Thank You,
The Boss
*** If there are any ideas about how we can improve our blog, email us. We are always open to change and suggestions.
Matt,
If I knew who the facilities manager was , I would be on the phone immediately trying to recruit him/her. Sure we have all these skills available in our community, but I do not know who they are. Volunteering is about coming forward and offering your services.
To find these people and to solicit their help requires somebody to do that work. Are you going to volunteer? If not where is the labor coming from?
I do not have the time to do a point by point rebuttal. I will just say that every suggestion on this site requires some time, money and/or knowledge to implement. Where is it coming from?
Choose.
I am not threating with increasing the common charge. When another service is offered there are 3 choices in finding the money and time: cancel something else, find a voluteer or hire an employee.
Choose.
I agree communications suck. I was all gung ho to do a quarterly newsletter just for Condo 2. It did not happen. Why? Not enough time.
I do not disagree that there are problems. I simply disagree that sitting on your butts at home blogging will somehow solve them.
None of the suggestions on this site are new. They have been suggested so many times it gets to be comical. There is not a shortage of complaints and suggestions. The problem is how to implement them. That requires money, time and knowledge. Which are YOU willing to provide?
If you truly want to talk, call the HOA office and leave your name and phone number.
And stop wasting your time looking for contradictions. I guarantee that there are plenty in this blog. No, I did not read every word due that TIME thing again. Busted. I admit it. I am a horrible person.
JJ
Jerry:
I, Matt, am the Facility Manager! I volunteer to help! Tell me where to start.
If the same ideas keep being passed around, why haven't they ben implimented? If they can't be implimented, why haven't the requesters been told?
Give me a contact number I will be happy to get in touch with you. In fact I have already contected the Chester Police to start a community watch program. I will try to personally meet with them tonight.
The Whispering Hills news letter is lame. They should automate it and throw it up on a site. If I had to guess, 3/4 of the people here have internet access.
Peter
Matt,
I cannot post my number here. Hence why I suggested you call the HOA office (469-4018) and leave it there. I will call you and give you my number then.
What condo are you in? (Please let it be 2. :) )
I think a board position would be best. Unfortunately, the April 12th deadline has passed to be on the ballot, which was just mailed.
You can launch a write-in campaign. You have this blog to use to announce.
Otherwise, you can volunter your services to the HOA, Condo Boards or all boards as a expert advisor.
If you are in condo 4 and available during the day, they need a project manager to manage the roofing project. You would be able to save them a lot of money.
First, call the HOA and leave your number. I will call you later or over the weekend.
JJ
Did everybody see the news on www.recordonline.com about them catching the person responsible for the home invasion in Whispering Hills last year?
I will call...I live in condo three. Unfortunatly I would be unavailable during the day. I would love to help you guys with bidding jobs, developing scope-of-work documents, starting volunteer programs, Etc.
See this Blog is positive!
Matt,
With community members like you adding to the solution, it speaks volumes as to why we feel a degree of success.
By communicating as we are through this blog, it is opening the door for positive action rather than negative reaction.
I want to express my personal thanks to you.
If there is anything you need us to do on our end to make things happen, please let us know. I would also like your email address; I feel it will be more productive communicating on a personal level. You can email me at whisperinghillsblog@yahoo.com.
Thanks Again Matt,
The Boss
The Boss,
And apparently you are not reading mine either. Lets just agree to disagree and be done with it.
If you and and averybody else wants to commiserate, feel free. It will have therapautic value.
Right now, I have to call the building inspector and negotiate a way to get these fences done without have to get a permit for each one. Matt, any thoughts on that?
To those that did not make insulting or speculative comments, I would like to apologize for my bullying. You are not include in my tirades.
At the end of the day sitting on the sidelines complaining amounts to just that.
If everybody feels that a public airing on our garbage is OK, then enjoy that. I won't be back.
Jeff
Jeff,
Don't misconstrue my post for anything but a defense to a very offensive post.
It's my obligation to stand up for the rights and opinions of each and every person that took time out to provide personal insight.
Don't make this personal, that’s not what this blog is about.
Again let’s stop the negativity and move forward. You being here is a positive thing!
Thank You,
The Boss
JJ,
Why do you sound angry?
Man, the war is on Iraq.
I will help you guys out with community projects. I live in the 3000's. I have a lot of ideas about how we can improve the community.
You also mentioned something about overseeing the roofing project. How much less will that cost us? Can more than 1 person contribute to overseeing the project? I'm very interested.
Steve
Boss,
I would also like to get involved with the adult summer basketball league.
I think if anything communicating like this will increase the values of our homes. Especially if they take care of some of the issues brought up.
why would someone be opposed to this blog? If it helps people contribute to the system then why would you condemn it like its taboo or something? The board member above just recruited a homeowner to volunteer time and a few others show some interest. I would say that its starting to help the communication issue already.
I live over in condo 2. Isn't Folrence Lenhard, John Stephenson and Dora Aviles also running for board manager? I would like to see their opinions about some of this stuff brought up here. Not to mention the rest of the residents running for board.
I just read these recent posts. Jeff,I have to tell you that I am disappointed a board member would react in the manner you did. i agree with a lot of these issues here. if the job is so tough why are you running for re-election? U are a pretty negative guy. This is not a good sign for the future if the board isn't willing to even listen to a few voices here and react the way you did. What is so comical about expressing thoughts? I think you feel these people here pose a threat to your position and comfort. You are making your job tougher than it is, yes i am calling you out, maybe we need som younger people on the board. Times are changing, do a little extra work, save a lot of time. I agree with matt and boss, the whole system lacks the out the box thinking. From what I just read, its a shame there are not more quantity of interested residents, it produces quality. I will tell you, you are making me want to run for a position here, seems like anyone has a chance. I wish I could say more about your tirade but I think the posts above just about sum it up! I have been posting here since day 1. Jeff, you are the first negative thing to come out of this blog!!! I and I'm sure many other, unlike you, will be back.ba-bye
Hi, thanks for this opportunity. The blog is a great place to voice opinions and to learn about what is important to WH owners/renters.
A monthly synopsis "blog news” for presentation to the HOA and committees would be a big help to tie efforts together by providing the board/committees with a useful reference tool. I hope that this blog will inspire more WH residents to join boards and committees to put more positive energy behind their efforts. Program development and effectiveness are totally reliant on committed participation. If members don’t provide support enough to satisfy the needs of the community and a management group is contracted all of the up front work still needs to be done to establish and support ongoing communications, decide on priorities and guide efforts to ensure that the community gets the best value for the effort and related expense. Lets not fall under the illusion that a management group will know what’s best for WH. It remains our responsibility to define and provide support for our community.
This is my first time here. Great idea to incorporate this blog into the communinty. If Things are not getting done they need to be addressed some place other than wh hoa. Going to the meeting would be fine, the problem is that they are limited. I like the setup here where you can speak your peace anytime without someone brushing you off. I have no problems or additional comments. When I do I will be back.
I noticed that there were not many comments over the past few day. It's the weather, absolutely beautiful! I'm sure everyone is enjoying the outdoors, not their computers.
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I'm a very happy homeowner. Happy with the area, happy with th e community. How do I become a board member?
Call the HOA. They just had elections in the last week or so, so you may have to wait until next year, or ask for appointment if there is a open position.
Thank You, I will do that.
I was hoping to see and announcement from a particular person seeking write-in votes. Oh well, while I am here, I will answer a few questions, make a few suggestions and make some comments.
It would be helpful that everybody identify their posts with a nickname. If is hard to reply to a particular person if everybody uses "anonymous".
My anger in my previous posts has to do with the disrespect and insults others posted. I will be happy to answer any post submitted in a respectful manner. Any disrespect will get ignored. The board members are volunteers and deserve your respect regardless on how you view their performance. It is the first time, I have been angry since doing this job. It is probably a sign that I have had enough.
Those that stated they want to volunteer should contact the HOA and leave their name and number for their board president. If you prefer, you can leave it for me and I will contact you. Thank you in advance.
I took over the president of Condo 2 position because John Stephenson had the position for several years and I wanted tp give him a break. He did not want to allow owners to expand their patios and fences because of all the extra work involved. I felt strongly about allowing the expansions and volunteered to be the president. Trust me when I say it is a lot of work.
When it comes to the president position, nobody wants it because they do most of the work and the day-to-day management.
Regarding Condo 2 elections. At the last open meeting, I begged the few owners that showed up for somebody to run because we have an open position. Florence came forward as a result. Dora has been highly involved since she moved here almost a year ago and therefore I asked her to run. As a result we are having a contested election. It is the first that I have experienced. It is the only contested election. Dora and Florence are new owners. Both will make fine board members but I doubt either will want to be president.
John will not want to be president again either. He will be undergoing some surgery and will be unavailable for several months. The other two board members have jobs and other responsibilities and will also not want the job.
My point is that voting me out will hurt all of Condo 2 more than me. I do not do it to be loved and obviously not for money. I do the job because it needs to be done. Al I ask is for a little respect.
All election forms must be submitted before the election meeting 10am, May 19th. There are blanks on the forms for write in candidates. So if you want real change, you have plenty of time to organize and get some new members elected.
At board meetings, I have repeatedly told the other members that we over rely on volunteerism. Since we are so large, my idea is that we hire, as an employee, a facility/property manager to handle the day-to-day business. I will propose this again at Thursday's meeting and report back.
If we can get this one thing done, the workload on the volunteers will be reduced and thus we may get more volunteers. Every $50,000 in compensation we pay out requires only $6 per unit per month. So if a well qualified manager wants $100,000 per year then it will cost only $12 per unit per month. I am sure everybody would find that reasonable.
Last comment. The rumor that a property management company would raise the common charges from $400 to $600 is not true. I have discussed the subject of using a property management company with members of other HOAs. They all reported negative experiences. Thus, I am am against using one.
Notices are being sent to the owners of the 27xx, 33xx, and 34xx units regarding the fence project. They will have a form for those that want to expand.
The only way you will get real change is to increase the pool of people who want to serve on the various boards.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 President
Mr. Jones,
I would like to personally thank you for your post and the offer to answer our questions and concerns from our Community. Whispering Hills Blog makes you a commitment that there will be a mutual respect between each other and there will never be any insulting comments or disrespect directed toward you. It means a lot to us that you are here, you are an invaluable asset.
“Lets agree to agree”, any negativity or anger we may have felt is “water under the bridge”. We will use this blog together as a tool to reach out to people, rather than hinder, add support to the entire system.
We would like to hear your suggestions on how we can improve this site and what you think needs to be implemented into the design to make you more comfortable with the interactive process. I would also like to personally extend the hand of the Whispering Hills Blog to you as a resource. If we can help you in any way, let us know through email. We appreciate your time.
It’s a pleasure to have you here!
The Boss
Matt,
Any news on the neighborhood watch situation? You mentioned that you were going to speak to Chester P.D. It is becoming more important to implement this as soon as possible. Summer is right around the corner.
I just came by to see if there was anything cooking here and I noticed that I would be the 100th post. Great job here Boss. I also know along with many others that maintenance alone on this site is time consuming. I want to comment on what I see going on here. It is nice to see board members working with the system. It makes me feel good about owning here.
A motion to hire a facilities manager for all of WH was rejected. I did not present sufficient information to convince a majority of the members to vote yes. So I will do my homework and present again in 2 to 3 months. Matt, you willing to help?
There was no feedback about raising in common charges about 12/month to pay a salary and benefits for such a person. It may be higher or lower. Please comment.
The perfect board member is a retiree with lots of time and energy. They appear to be a vanishing breed. More and more board members have full time jobs that limit the amount of time they can provide.
There was a time where condo living was considered a lifestyle choice that attracted retirees, single professionals and childless couples. All of these groups tend to have the extra time to volunteer. Now condos may be the new "affordable" housing and are thus attracting more families. Thus the pool of people able to serve is shrinking.
The all volunteer model of management means the boards are involved in the day-to-day management of WH. That kind of workload makes serving unattractive. Add to that the time need to acquire new skills and knowledge and it becomes even more unattractive.
Evidence of this exists. The same people are serving over and over again. There are open positions. Elections are held uncontested. New ideas are great but the real work is getting the new idea implemented. That means new board members are needed to champion those new ideas.
Thus I believe that we need to hire a manager that will be responsible for the day-to-day management. A manager with a business and/or engineering background also provides skills that most board members do not have. Thus such a person not only lessens the time required to serve but also helps the boards make intelligent decisions.
Please comment.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 President
Jeff Jones
Jeff/Boss/All:
Last week I spoke to Jeff Jones on the phone. I don’t know Mr. Jones except for his posts on this blog and the lengthy conversation we had last week. I now believe that Jeff cares very deeply about the state of things in Whispering Hills. He is a dedicated volunteer who wants to se things change. I have been inspired by Mr. Jones’s dedication and will write in my name on election ballot for the upcoming election.
I hope everyone out there who reads this from Whispering Hills will realize what Mr. Jones is up against and will join me in getting some new blood on our board!
I promise if elected I will be your voice either through this blog or another public forum. Our community is a great place to live and raise a family. I think we can be better!
Even if I’m not elected, I will continue to do everything I can to help better our community. I spoke to the Chester Police Department about getting them involved with the start-up of a neighborhood watch program. I was supposed to meet with them last week but the meeting never happened due to scheduling conflicts. I will be speaking to the Police Chief on Tuesday morning. My hope would be to have an officer, or maybe ever the chief come to one of our HOA meetings to help us get this program off and running. I think this is an important step in addressing the quality of life issues at WH. I think this is the type of program that has the potential to unite our community while at the same time, making it a more enticing place to buy a home!
-Matt DeRosa
Jeff & Matt,
My name is Steve Toth I live in condo 4. I would like to know more about the Whispering Hills website Jeff had mentioned is currently in the works, I am interested in contributing to the project. As a concerned resident, I am working through email with Boss on some graphics for this blog and would like to be more involved with the process.
I have considered running for a position in the past but realized I would be doing the community an injustice being that my time is very limited. Since it is very difficult to break away from work and family, I would like to help the system by offering my skills. If Whispering Hills is interested in utilizing another graphic/web designer to add to the process, please contact me @ sbtgraphix@yahoo.com.
SBT
Matt,
I am happy that you are trying to make things better for us, I think anyone that reads your posts know that you are the right man for the job! Good to see you and jeff giving opinions and making comments. Thanks for caring about the community the way you both do!!!!
Jeff,
Your post makes brings out some great points.
I agree with you 100%. Let’s say if the manager worked on a part time basis, it would alleviate some of the time and pressure the board is currently facing. Think about it like this…. A professional manager making decisions in conjunction with the board members in my opinion would not only save money but it would allow the system to be regulated. All the projects would be overseen insuring all budgets, time scheduling, and guidelines are adhered to.
Can someone answer any of the questions that are being raised here. The past 2 weeks I see a lot of questions with no responses. Thank you in advance.
Hi Everyone,
It's great to see Jeff and Matt providing insight, Thank You both for your updates.
Whispering Hills Blog would like to ask Mr. Jeff Jones if he could accommodate some of the prior posts by providing answers to questions asked by our Community Members. I know it’s a lot of extra work for you, I am offering this blog to you as a tool. If I can help you in any way, let me know.
I want to provide some insight into my thought process. I feel confident that if we keep speaking in an open forum environment like we currently are, the communication floodgate will slowly open. We are taking very small steps that will ultimately bring happiness, unity, and at the same time provide solutions. It is very clear from both Matt and Jeff’s post that there is a deficiency of qualified individuals that are interested in running for board. We need more involved residents! I will post something on behalf of your posts under “Hot Topics”.
A final Note:
We all live together in this Community; we need to be aware of our surroundings. The more people that get involved with the solution, the more people will become interested. Every voice counts! By making Residents aware of specific situation such as Jeff Jones, Matt and other Community members bring up; we are educating each reader as to the veracity and magnitude of the topic at hand. It is up to you, the Residents, to formulate an opinion and ultimately react.
Thank You,
The Boss
Matt,
Glad you are running. I have already been soliciting votes. I have more calls to make. Hopefully we can get enough. Christine David-Collins was the only other member that voted for having a facility manager. So hopefully we do not bump her off the board.
I have given your number to all of the HOA board members. Condo 4 pres said he might call you. I have a problem that needs to be solved but it can wait.
Steve,
I will pass your email address to the HOA pres. We have an outside consultant for the website but you providing the graphics may save us some money. The very people that do not think we need a manager are the bottleneck on the developement of the site. It is my understanding that the consultant is waiting for direction.
K,
Thanks for the input.
Boss,
I am not sure what questions, you and Mc are refering too. If you could collect those that you feel are unanswered or important and email them to me or summarize in another post. It will make it easier for me to answer them. Sorry I do not have the time to read all the previous posts. I will send you my email address.
Everybody,
CALL YOUR WHISPERING HILLS FRIENDS AND GET MATT DEROSA ELECTED. Write his name on one of the empty lines of the HOA ballot. You have 4 votes. Give him all 4, if you can. Thanks.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 Pres
The speeding and burnouts once again have become more evident and frequent at the stop sign on Whispering Hills Drive. The Chester PD needs to come in here and do some MAJOR enforcement. I am not complaining about the people doing 30 or 35, I am talking about the people doing in excess of that. I am going to start taking plates and publishing them on this site and sending them to the Chester PD. To all you crazy drivers, take notice!
Not only do cars speed but they also blow through the stop sign like its not even there.
Does anyone know the % of people that even cast election votes? I'm sure there are a good amount of people that don't even bother.
Hi,
I am a longtime resident. We just bought another house that our family will be moving into mid summer. I have a question about renting my unit. Are there any regulations, if so, what are they. Thanks
Ask the HOA, but I do not think so. You own the unit so you can do what you want with it, as long as you and your tenants stick to the HOA rules and regulations. You could be held responsible for your renters breaking of the rules and regualtions, I think, since you own the unit.
Thanks for the campaigning Jeff. In fairness of full disclosure…I work full-time and attend school two nights a week. I understand if this may be an issue. Regardless of the outcome this may have, I will continue to try and bring new ideas to the table and offer my knowledge of Facility Management to help better our community!
I spoke to Chester Police Chief Graziano this afternoon. He seems like a great guy. His knowledge of Whispering Hills is extensive as his employment with the Chester PD predates our community. He told me that the Chester Police have been involved with at least 4 initiatives to start a neighborhood watch programs in WH. They all start off strong with people very enthusiastic and willing to help. Then, the participation drops off and the program falls apart. He believes WH bought radios in the past and had vests or special T-Shirts made for people to wear while “patrolling.” I wonder if we still have them? Chief Graziano did say he would be happy to speak to us about starting this program again. He also mentioned the possibility of his department providing training. I think more discussion will be needed to see if community participation is there to keep the program going this time.
I also asked about ways to help eliminate speeding. He told me that removable speed bumps on public roads violate state law as they impede emergency vehicles. He did mention that he would step up patrols, possibly place an unmarked car in the neighborhood and employ other resources they have to help eliminate this issue.
Tell me what you think? Neighbor hood watch…Anyone interested in volunteering a couple hours at night?
-Matt
Working as a PO, I could have a field day in WH. All they have to do is sit in the clubhouse parking lot or in the 1400 section driveway,or any other driveway for that matter,and they could give out an entire summons book in a tour.
How about a bike patrol? I thought that a few years ago they had Chester PD patrolling on mountain bikes through the complex? I think that volunteering would be less of a task if they were to incorporate mountain bikes rather than walk around. You could cover more ground and at the same time still be mobile. The volunteers could call in illegal parking, vagrancy, loitering, speeding. The list goes on!
Through the years citizens have delegated more and more of their individual responsibility for self protection to law enforcement specialists. As a result, fewer citizens now recognize their responsibility to take an active role in crime prevention and the apprehension of criminals.
Police officers make more arrests each year, but criminal activities continue to rise. Homeowners are being victimized every day at an ever-increasing rate. No one is immune. The time has come when citizens can no longer leave their responsibility for the reduction of crime to others.
Burglary is a crime of opportunity, committed by criminals who capitalize on carelessness or neglect. Most home burglaries are not committed by professionals who have planned to commit a burglary. Most are committed by amateurs, who find an open or unlocked door or window, or drug abusers that take advantage of a home's week defenses.
To combat the increase in crime in today's society, the police need the eyes and ears of citizens like you. To help the police protect your property from criminals you must get involved. To help you help yourself, your community, and Police Department a Neighborhood Watch Program should be established.
No home can be protected like Fort Knox. All of the locks, bars, lights and alarms cannot guarantee total protection. You cannot make your home, property, and self crime proof, but you can make them crime resistant.
A Neighborhood Watch is easy to start , and effective when implemented. By starting a Neighborhood Watch, you are taking the first step towards making your home, your neighborhood, and your community a safer place to live.
NY PD
I keep seeing the welcome sign says that there is a complex meeting. 2 questions, how many times a year do they have this meeting and what issues are usually brought up?
I was shocked today to see on the front page of The Chronicle that our taxes are going up in the Village 29%. This is absurd and unacceptable! Mayor Valastro must go if he actually follows through on this. Whispering Hills residents are a vast majority of voters in the Village. We can as a group end his political career. Write him and tell him "NO" to his absurdly fat tax increase!
Increased police patrols seemed to be evident this weekend, whether planned or not. I actually saw them stop somebody near the 1400 section just after the stop sign. However, the wreckless driving, running the stop sign, speeding and unsafe starts still seem to be the norm. These kids, which a majority seem to be, need to have their licesne revoked and need to be put behind bars for a few days. It is only a matter of time before somebody gets whacked by a car here.
I have seen an increase in patrols by the Chester PD...Thank you Chief Graziano!
I haven't heard any movement or interest in starting a neighborhood water program...Is anyone interested in volunteering?
-Matt
PLEASE READ
Unbelievable! Hey condo three residents, do you know why you have no cable? It seems that the contractor installing fences with the excavator dug a hole and ripped up the main feeder servicing the southern half of condo three! Thank God it was just low voltage TV cable and not the 480V feeders or even worse the gas main.
Over the last few weeks I as well as others have raised concerns over contractor oversight or the lack thereof. It is illegal to dig without notifying O&R and having them survey the utilities. In my business we call this a near miss! This is unacceptable and the HOA needs to hold these people accountable for not having the utilities surveyed first. This is gross negligence!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!
-Matt (Write-in candidate)
I agree with Matt. Someone is at fault here and it is the duty of the HOA to point the finger.
I have also noticed an increase in police activity throughout the complex. Are we getting the watch program going? I really think this is blog is making a difference.
From the Chronicle..This could and should be of interest to all that live here in Whispering Hills....The development being built on the hill at the back of the complex has been scaled back from a proposed 90 lot to 40 lots and at this time there will be no direct access road leading from Whispering Hills Drive to that development that would have brought a great increase in traffic in from both residents and people trying to find shortcuts around Rt. 17 when it gets jammed up. There will be an emergency access road though that will not be open to the public. Maybe somebody from the HOA board can give us more info on this.
OK...here I go.
Been a resident since 2003. The HOA is just as corrupt at our federal government. How is it possible that the person who does most of the community work is a resident. The guy in the white van ? Conflict of interest..I think so.
I went to 1 meeting and it was worse than dealing with a rooom filled with 5 year olds.
A person I knew ran for office and was run off by the hipocracy and the old boys club.
The pool nearest the exit....how many years in a row do I need to see my money pay to have the SAME problem fixed over and over ?
Landscaping - The main areas look great...my section looks like crap. The don't edge, they dont trim. They stink.
How about fixing the parking bumpers that the snow removal company ruined? Or do our fees need to go up again to get that done ?
How about all the landscaping the snow removal company ruined?
How about the NEW roofs that leak. Spoke to a dozen people that said it NOW leaks but didn't before.
How about going for a permit to make my patio bigger..GETTING REJECTED BUT the guy in the white van can do it for $1000 bucks ?
How about making the recreation areas usuable?
What happened to the speed bumps I paid for ? 2 seasons in use then in the garbage ? Do I get a refund ?
How about the walkway lights...you replaces them 2 years ago and they people that installed them did a horrible job and the landscaper used the weed whacker on them and they are ruined ?
You put up new privacy fences but the landscaper is chopping away at the main posts with the weed wacker. So they will look like crap in 3 years.
How about the sign upon entrance that get's updated 4 times a year ?
I love the community...the HOA is corrupt and not worth anything. Honestly....on prinicipal ALONE I would rather pay $600 a month and have a professional organization run it.
Just horrible. The ADULTS should be ashamed !
Jeff Jones,
Quote:
The point is that I do not have any more time to give.
End Quote.
My advise...resign. Read the comments...you are not doing a good enough job. Let someone with MORE TIME do the job.
The pool nearest the exit....how many years in a row do I need to see my money pay to have the SAME problem fixed over and over ?
They actually ran out of time last year to fix it correctly. That is also why this pool opened several weeks late. They have done a great job this time, looks good, already filled and ready to go.
Dear Anonymous,
I have no problem with stepping aside if somebody else wants to do the job. Contrary to what you may think, there is no line of people wanting the job.
Why would they? It is not a paid position. Very few thank you's are spoken. I pay the same common charges as everybody else in Condo 2. Most owners want more but want to pay less. Sorry to say but the Condo 2 board is not Walmart. The only reward this job offers is the knowledge that am not sitting on the sidelines.
About half of the units have their new patio fences, I still don't have mine. If we are so corrupt you would have thought I would have been the first to get a new fence. In fact, none of the board members have their new fence.
I would have time if the requirements of the job only involved evenings and weekends. I am most needed during normal work hours.
I do not understand how my resignation would make things better? A fellow board member has offered to resign in the event I do not get reelected just to create an empty position to get me back on the board. To be honest with you all, I think they would all resign to avoid having to do the job I do.
So Mr. Anonymous, I will take your opinion under advisement. Perhaps you should post your name in case there is anybody that would like to thank or blame you.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 Pres.
My name is Matthew DeRosa and I agee with all of the previous posts. Please enter my name in the write-in section on the ballot. Im new to the community, 2 years. I'm a Facility Manager for a fortune 100 company. I'm finishing MBA in Finance. I deal with service contracts everyday. This community has a horrible program! I agree about the conflict of interest. The man in the white van is also the person who ripped out the TV cable causing a widespread condo 3 outtage. We are lucky it wasn't gas. I would love to be the mouth piece of the community. I have met with the Chester Police and am trying to start-up a neighborood watch program. I am very interested in the affairs of Whispering Hills as my property value depends on it, as does yours!
In fairness to Jeff Jones, I spoke to him briefly on the phone and he truly seems concerned about the WH affairs. I think he needs more support to get things changed. thats where we come in!
Please help write me in!
-Matthew DeRosa
Matt,
As a perspective board member please gather information from all sides of the story.
In the Condo 3 cable TV situation the cable line was not where it was suppose to be. Second the cable TV lines are less than a foot underground. Thus, to be technical, every WH owner should be calling the dig line before digging in their garden.
"The man in the white van" saves our butts so many times. Without him we would be paying higher common charges and have greater difficulty getting things done. He is also the one responds to water line breaks and sewer line backups. Corrective measures have been put into place. So there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I cannot think of a single contractor past or present that has not screwed up.
So please take a balance approach to the problems we face.
Jeff Jones
Condo 2 Pres.
"The man in the white van" saves our butts so many times. Without him we would be paying higher common charges and have greater difficulty getting things done. He is also the one responds to water line breaks and sewer line backups. Corrective measures have been put into place. So there is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! Who cares how many times he has saves anyones butts. It's a TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. HE SHOULD NOT BE DOING OFFICIAL WH CONTRACT WORK. Let hiim advertise like EVERY OTHER contractor and get side work. IT IS A COMPLETE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND TRUST ME...IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WH GETS SUED BECAUSE OF IT.
PLUS....seeing him tool around in his LEXUS doesn't help the matter either.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST....raise the common charges and do it the right way. Do it the right way from day 1.
I absolutely love WH, it's residents, and everything about it. STOP USING THE PRICE OF COMMON CHARGES AS AN EXCUSE FOR THINGS BEING THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
IMPORTANT NEWS.......
That sign on West Ave. under 17 that says the road and sidewalk are closed May 21 fails to mention it will be closed for 18 months, as published in the Times Herald on page 9. All traffic, including pedestrian, will have to go right on West Ave. to 94. Pass this along to all your neighbors, especially, if they have to walk to the market or pharmacy. It wil be open for a few months in the winter.
All,
It is not a conflict of interest. If you use that logic, then the Village of Chester should not hire any contractor that lives in Chester. Orange County should not hire any contractor that lives in Orange County. We all know that is unreasonable.
If he was a board member, then that would be a conflict of interest. The qualitity of his work is good, his prices are good, and he is very flexible.
I have yet to meet any contractor that does not have a nice car. What you really mean is that he makes a lot of money and that should disqualify him. Should we hire a contractor that is poor and drives a POS? One could argue that such a contractor is not a very good contractor.
Be reasonable.
Jeff:
Sorry, but you are very wrong on this one. Anytime a resident is to dig deeper than 6" you have an obligation to call in a code 753 "811" That will notify all utility companies. That is the responsible way to approach the project.
What would make you think that any other approach is acceptable? Just business as usual? Come on Jeff you job as a board member is to protect the shared assets of our community.
The person who hit the line is responsible for any damages incurred as a result of his failure to follow code 753 procedures. That is the law. As a board member one would think you would be in favor calling first.
Jeff I spoke to you on the phone and you sounded like you wanted to change things. What happened?
As I said, the problem is corrected. He is now calling for every unit instead assuming every building is the same. Because the laying of the TV cable is inconsistent and I suspect the info about its location may be incorrect, I am not convinced another will not be cut.
The rest of my post was commentary on how there appears to be no standards on minumum depths. Simple digging in a garden can cause problems. The cable companies should be required to place the cable deeper and they should be required to place it in some kind of conduit within a cetain distance from a building.
I think it is an unreasonable situation where casual digging in a garden is a violation of the rules. Should I now have to police every owner to be sure they call the dig line?
I would also like all of the shrill off-with-his-head kind of talk to stop. Do we want to make every problem into a catastrophe? Do you want me to stop the fence projects in Condo 2 and find the new contractor? I am sure that will piss off another group of owners. What exactly is your solution to this "unacceptable" problem?
Again, lets be reasonable.
Jeff Jones
Jeff
You are right again...lets all be reasonable here. The contractor hitting a buried utility is reasonable. The cost of each owner who lost cable, the crew who worked all night to repair it is just sniveling complainers and need to be more reasonable. The fact that the grass in front of the old slaughterhouse looks better than mine is OK. Everyone who has voiced a concern on this site is just a do-nothing complainer who has no right to demand their dues are spent responsibly. Our board does business the way they want. Jeff you made an argument on the phone with me that most of the board members don’t even show up. You said there is a good ole boys type mentality that you would like to see changed. What’s happening? I agree that knocking the contractor because of the car he drives or the amount of work he gets is stupid! But it is incumbent upon you as a representative of our community to hold responsible the contractors who do work on OUR property.
As I asked in the previous post, what specifically do you want done? Calling it "unacceptable" does not tell me or anybody else on the boards how you think it should be resolved.
Keep in mind that the problem was in Condo 3 and I manage Condo 2 where we have not had a problem. So I will also ask what should Condo 3 do?
I have taken the action I thought was reasonable from Condo 2's perspective but apparently you feel it is not enough. It would be a waste of time to try to guess what you want, so until you provide a solution, I have no way to make you happy.
Jeff
I think any resident of the community should not be allowed to do official "community" work. It only causes strife within the community. Just like POLICE can not work off hours in their OWN community. Nothing against him....but that should not be allowed.
I am sick of the whole common charge thing. Every time something isn't right or the way things should be, they threaten with raising the common charges. No matter what anyone says, or claim the way things are, someone is getting their palm greased. The guy in the white van is just one of the apparent many that are cashing in on mistakes of management. Someone needs to make informed and at the same time take responsibility, good or bad, for the result. That goes for irrational decisions the board is making as well.
BIG PROBLEM......There is too much finger pointing and excuses, not enough proactive reaction. We, the owners of these condos, are equivalent to the consumer and the board along with hoa are the merchant. Where I come from, the customer is always right. I don't think any problem or concern mention to the hoa directly, or through this website is too big or small. If someone has a concern, it should be addressed rather than going through a long drawn out formal process. That is where delinquency and corruption occurs. I don’t want to jump through hoops and see chins wagging, I want to see results. Let me put it to you like this, if a concern or issue is brought up to a few people, just those people know about it. If the same issue or concerned is brought up to the community like is on this site, it is significantly more difficult to address the situation in a complacent manner. This is part of the reason why certain people of authority are against expressing thoughts in an open environment like this.
Whats up with the hoods that hang out in the bus shelter. I walk my dog and see a bunch of kids that are rude and crude. The cops stop and talk to a few of them as if they are buddy's. What is the loitering policy???????? Can these kids just hang out doing what they do, or be kicked out of there?
Jeff:
You know what you can do to make me happy...Lets take a walk. Lets take a walk with the Supervisor of the grounds crew. Lets point out the destruction on the new fenses by weedwackers. Lets point out the 6" high grass in my section. Lets point out the damage done by the landscaper "edging" mine and my neighbors garden. Lets point out to them the curbing destroyed by their plows.
That right lets hold them accountable for makeing a living off of our hard earned common charges.
What do you think? Will you take that walk with me?
-Matt DeRosa
In the consumer/merchant analogy the merchant gets paid, the board member does not. Second, the merchant provides a service or product to several customers that have no relationship to each other. Here you are part of a group and it is the happiness of the group that is important. The boards cannot possibly keep every individual happy. Third, the merchant is in business because the risk, work and reward are at acceptable levels. In this situation there is no reward. No merchant would stay in business without getting paid.
I would prefer a team analogy. The team may elect a captain. The captain cannot do all of the scoring and cannot play every defensive position. The captain works to make the whole work. The team needs each other. In this case the board is your elected captain. We work hard to make this work as best as possible given that money and time is limited. The money you pay is your contribution to to the success of the team.
You cannot go to a merchant and demand that he work harder and still expect not to pay him/her. The merchant would not except those conditions and neither do I.
The problem is not with the individuals. The problem is a lack of resources, with time being the one most scarce. My plan is to get the HOA to hire a manager. With a relatively small amount of money, we can ease the time crunch.
Jeff Jones
Matt,
I will take a walk with you but know we have these problems. Given there are more problems than I have time to handle, I choose the ones that I feel are the most important. I am sure you have heard the saying "choose your battles".
I agree that the landscaping company is rough on the property. Personally I think we are large enough to have hire employees and buy equipment to do our own landscaping and snow removal. But that may be a little radical. We paid $300,000 for this service in 2006 and $345,000 in 2005.
I have no problem with finding a new solution. But on my priority list it is a medium. I still think hiring a manager will go a long way towards fixing this and other problems.
But still looking for your solution the the cut cable line. Feel free to call if you like.
Jeff
Jeff:
This a copy of an O&R article all reputable contractors already know this. Good news, The service is free so you wont need to raise our common charges!
Dig Safely New York
Before you break ground for a home addition, swimming pool, fence, tree planting or other project that requires excavation, drilling or digging, make sure you're clear of all underground utility lines running through your property.
Make One Toll-Free Call
To get your project safely underway, make one toll-free call to your state utility notification service three days ahead of time. The service will contact all member utilities to mark the locations of underground facilities for you at no charge.
In New York, call 1-800-962-7962
In New Jersey, call 1-800-272-1000
In Pennsylvania, call 1-800-242-1776
Play It Safe
Developers, contractors, excavators, equipment operators and anyone else working near our underground gas and electric lines also need to check O&R's Field Safety Guide to ensure compliance with regulations imposed by various local, state and federal authorities.
What Could Happen If You Don't Call?
If your shovel or backhoe strikes an underground electric or natural gas line or communications cable, you run the risk of serious accident, injury or costly property damage. You could also disrupt essential utility service and find yourself with an expensive repair bill and legal problems.
How to Identify a Utility Marking
Utility companies will mark the location of their underground facilities using either colored paint or small flags. Each type of service has its own unique color.
Color Service
White Proposed Excavation
Pink Temporary Survey
Red Electric
Yellow Gas or Oil
Orange Telephone and Cable
Blue Potable Water
Purple Reclaimed Water
Green Sewer and Drain
If a Digging Accident Occurs
If a natural gas accident occurs, immediately evacuate the area and call O&R's Gas Emergency Hotline at 1-800-533-5325. For accidents involving underground electric cables, call us at 1-877-434-4100.
-Matt DeRosa
By the way, the cable was in the correct spot. The repairman knew immediatly where the line was hit as it was a straight line from J-box to J-box. I know this because I was there.
-Matt
Matt,
I already stated that the contractor will now call for every unit. He knows this information. I am asking you what additional things should be done by the Condo 3 board? What should be done by the Condo 2, even though the infraction was in Condo 3?
Should he be fired? That would put the project on hold for several weeks and make a lot of people unhappy. We would have to reapply for building permits or have the paperwork changed because of the change in contractor.
Should he be monetarily penalized?
Should compensation payable to the homeowners be requested?
Should somebody else be put in charge of calling the dig line? Who? Me? What liabilities am I assuming?
Should he be told that the next occurrance without a call will result in his termination?
What should I do with all the homeowners that maintain their own garden? There are many plants that require a hole deeper than 6 inches. Should I require a submission of a "permission to dig" form where the office calls for the homeowner? What liabilities are we assuming? Will our insurance company approve of such an arrangement?
According to the contractor, the cable was laid in the joint between the building slab and the patio he was working on. He thinks it was moved by another company that did the retaining wall. This does not mean he should not have called, it just mean that he thinks it was unavoidable even if he had. Is he telling the truth? How much time do I want to spend digging in to this matter? He now knows it is in his best interest to call so that he is protected from liability.
You called it unacceptable and I am simply trying to make you happy in this matter. If you are happy with my just getting assurances from him that he will now call, then let me know. Otherwise tell me what other actions I sould take.
Jeff
How about putting aluminum wraps at the base of the fences? Cheaper than replacing them every few years and protects them from damage.
Jeff,
Reading your recent post, I sense a bit of arrogance. It’s nice to know that you are using extortion methods in your election campaign to get re-elected.
OK, Next topic, discussion or argument please.
Jeff:
You took the first step in holding a contractor accountable. They are now congnizant of the fact that the HOA and its members are watching them. I'm almost smiling!
I'm not being sarcastic. I am truly happy to hear that some pressure is being put on the contractors to conduct work safetly in our neighborhood. I have seem first hand utilities hit and the destruction they cause.
Thank you!
-Matt
To the person that suggested an aluminum wrap....
Thanks for a true contribution. Aluminum may get dinged up easily and look just as ugly. But I will ask the contractor what can be done to protect the bottom of the post. Whatever it is it will have to something the is easily replaced and not ugly.
Jeff
The grounds look good this year, what doesn't are the kids loitering. What can we do about this?? I posted before, no one is giving me an answer. I walk my dog and stop short of the bus shelter because shady characters, and kids are in there doing whatever. They treat it like some sort of hang out. This is a real problem here that is not being addressed. We need some neighborhood enforcement or something. I am a single woman and very concerned!
Why are kids in the bus stop a problem? Are they doing something illegal?
The same reason why you can't loiter in front of a store. It has nothing to do with what they are doing, it has to do with the effect that it has on the neighborhood environment. How would you feel if 10 kids were hanging around the bus terminal and you were looking to purchase a condo here? Not to mention that it is probably against village or WH regulation.
As far as your loitering questions, it is hard to do much about it, especially if they live in the complex. The PD may have their hands tied, depending on who owns that land, the village or Whispering Hills. If you have concerns, call the non-emergency number and talk to them. I myself amd getting annoyed with the speeders betwene the first stop sign and West Ave. It is beyond crazy. Mark my words, only a matte rof time before somebody gets in an accident or hit by a car. On anothe rnote, with that underpass closing next week for 18 months, kids are going to try to cross 17 to get into town. I suspect there will be issues with that this summer, and the possiblilty of more loitering as they will not be able to easily and quickly make their way over to the center and Castle.
In all fairness, Jeff is the only board member that has answered any of our questions. Thanks Jeff!
If the other candidates were as sincere as proclaimed, they would be speaking as productively. The only other board member that has addressed anything remotely significant was Bruce Green.
I know who is receiving my vote!
condo 2 owner
what do you mean the police have their hands tied? If wh accounts for 50% of the population in Chester, 50% of the force should be catering to the needs of the community. I'm telling you, this summer is going to be very interesting if we don't incorporate some sort of watch program.
Elections tomorrow, get out your ballots!
" As far as your loitering questions, it is hard to do much about it, especially if they live in the complex. The PD may have their hands tied, depending on who owns that land, the village or Whispering Hills. If you have concerns, call the non-emergency number and talk to them. I myself amd getting annoyed with the speeders betwene the first stop sign and West Ave. It is beyond crazy. Mark my words, only a matte rof time before somebody gets in an accident or hit by a car. On anothe rnote, with that underpass closing next week for 18 months, kids are going to try to cross 17 to get into town. I suspect there will be issues with that this summer, and the possiblilty of more loitering as they will not be able to easily and quickly make their way over to the center and Castle."
This is very disturbing.
The PD can ot just chase people off land that is owned by Whispering Hills without a specific reason or complaint filed. It is private property, and if the kids live here, you can ot kick them off property they have the right to be on by living in a Whispering Hills unit or being a guest. Sounds crazy, this is just the way it is.
I was under the assumption that the town owned the roads, can anyone confirm the last post please.
Are there any results yet from the election?
The town owns the road.
All incumbents were reelected. Matt did not get elected. New members were elected to Condo 1 and Condo 2 to fill empty seats.
Jeff
Matt,
I would like to take that walk with you. There are things I would like to show you in Condo 2 that you may be able to help me with.
I could not find a product that specifically protected the fence posts from trimmer damage. I have the contractor investigating. Perhaps you can find something.
I found something that may be adapted by cutting it. It is at www.plasti-sleeve.com.
Jeff
Hi, I'm the one that came up with the idea to wrap the posts.
The only other solution to save our fences and lights would be to wrap them in some sort of wire or cage like material. Remember that the underling material is wood which means that it needs air or else rot will occur. By wrapping them with a decent gauge fencing wire this will prevent physical and environmental damage. This solution is very cost effective and simple to install, just buy a roll of heavy gauge aluminum fencing, cut them into strips and wrap posts. To secure the wrap, just use wire to weave the seams together.
That would be a great idea. If you look at our NEW garbage sheds you will see that the landscaping company has completely ruined them. The siding has been weed whacked to pieces...the sides and corners look like trash. Is it in the contract that they need to be responsible for this stuff. When I owned a home on Long Island I will tell you that if a landscaper ever did this to my home...they would be responsible 100%. I would like to know why they get away with it at our homes in WH?
Matt:
Are you for real? What have you done for the community but complain and complain. Have you won million dollar law suits for the condo. Are you really a facility manager or just a janitor?
It seems you know how to do everything.
Your ran for the HOA; just how did you make out?
This sounds like you. Fire everyone and let Matt take control. The HOA is corrupt; the contractors are no good, the condo boards are jerks and Matt is superman to the rescue.
Contractors will take every liberty possible to cut corners. It’s the nature of the business. They can weed whack much faster if they don’t have to take precautions to protect property. They can replace more patios and fences if they don’t have to survey utilities. After all, time is money! The ideas of cladding our fence posts are good and will most likely work. But it’s a band aide on a systemic problem. Think about it like this...
As an association we hire people to maintain our facilities. After sometime we realize the people we hired are damaging our property because of carelessness and no accountability. So as the "employer" we spend more capitol to idiot proof our facilities so the people we hired can do their work faster.
Does anyone else think this is a misappropriation of our dues? Lets start managing our contractors!!! I say we send them a bill for the damaged curbs, fence posts and trash enclosures. I bet anyone out there that the day after you send that bill you will see a supervisor on-site inspecting the work.
Who am I kidding we will use $10K of our HOA dues to put a band aide on the problem.
However wrote the “Matt are you kidding me…” section must be on the board. Just an FYI this is the first post I’ve made since 4/17 so you have me confused with someone else. My posts, if you care to read them, have laid out specific things we can do to improve our community.
I have offered my services time and time again. I will meet you anytime you or the rest of the board like. I have offered to help write scope-of-work documents to help in the bidding process. I have offered to oversee the roof replacement project for free. I have met with the chief of police to start-up our neighborhood watch program. Remember sir or maim, I am not a board member. I have done this because I have a vested interest in our community. I am not surprised by your lack of knowledge before posting. Its par for the course with our board. It seems the only way you know how to have an educated conversation is to lob insults.
As for the Janitor comment, you are stupid enough to think that’s an insult!
-Matt DeRosa
Best Janitor this side of the mississippi
PS the last post was mine too I forgot to sign it!
Not here! Please read the post entitles "Matt are you kidding me?" Says it all!
Who is in charge off appropriating funds here? There are many things that need attention and are not being addressed. As a resident, the damage that is occurring aggravates me. The money that is being spent frivolously on repairs is the exact reason why they are occurring. The problems are very easy to address, either comply or we find a new company to the job. By saving a few dollars here and there, we can afford to attend to some other neglected areas of the complex, like the tennis and basketball courts and adding recreational outputs that will increase not only the monetary value of our property but also neighbor relations.
Bottom line, the service companies that we contract should be supervised better and left accountable for their negligence. (Can someone answer this question?) Who is currently in charge of overseeing the workmanship of the companies that do business with Whispering Hills?
The election didn't work out so good. I was not on the ballot and I did not get elected. I'm ok with that. I still have the background and knowledge to save our community money and resources. I offer my time and expertise for free. I will continue with the neighbor hood watch program while you decide how to waste our money on fence post protection instead of managing our contractors!
-Matt DeRosa
Janitor to the stars
What is frustrating is that there is the "everything is ok" attitude here and the "don't stir up the bees nest" mentality. Things will never change with this type of thinking, just deteriorate. You make the choice!
Where did the posts go?
Look at the above posts. I made suggestions and I was called a janitor. I was tols all I do is complain. I am willing to volunteer my time to do anything to better our community even manual labor! You tell me how this janitor can help and I'm there!
-Matt DeRosa
Janitor for the people
Matt,
Obviously a disgruntled individual posted the negativity. From what I read, you have contributed more than people officially involved with the complex. I'm sorry you didn't win the elections, a too little too late situation. If you had more preparation I think the outcome would have been different. For all intensive purposes, I voted for you.
Hold on,
2 questions, who won the 1 mil settlement for us and who is responsible for making the initial decision to hire the negligent company who did the bogus work?
Thank you K!
-MD
Matt:
What this community needs is leadership and it is quite evidents by your last couple of post that you lack leadership ability. Your should work within the community guide lines and just not make up your own rules. Join your board don't critize them.
Did your board or HOA ask you to go to the Chester police or did you just think this up and decide that it is ok to takes matters into your own hands.
Million dollar settlement? For what and what is the plan for that money? As far as contrators, get rid of them all! For what you pay them, you can hire betweee 5 and 10 employees with benefits.
“Matt:
What this community needs is leadership and it is quite evidents by your last couple of post that you lack leadership ability. Your should work within the community guide lines and just not make up your own rules. Join your board don't critize them.
Did your board or HOA ask you to go to the Chester police or did you just think this up and decide that it is ok to takes matters into your own hands.”
I had to laugh when I just read this, I nearly fell out of my chair. Man, you are bashing him about his leadership abilities and then bashing him for taking the initiative going to chester pd and didn’t he just try to join the board ……..lol…… You are a very confused person.
Matt, I commend you for taking initiative. I think it shows leadership ability that you are even here trying to help find solutions.
Why don't we have the curbs in the parking lot secured down with rebar? people and the plowing company hit them and move them all over the place. I'm more po'ed about the winter crew than the summer crew. They were nonexistent this winter and when they did decide to plow it was half a@# and done in a destructive manner. It would also be nice for them to come back after the winter season and fix the signs that they knock every which way which presents a big eyesore when driving through the complex.
Thanks for the support guys. I'm baffeled by the ignorance of some of these people. To the person who asked if I went to the Chester PD on my own...Please read the numerous posts that are inquiring about the status of the watch program.
Please tell me where I made up my own rules?
I'll say it again...This community has the resources to better itself from within. We are a community of Police Officers, Firemen, construction workers, probably some janitors, doctors, lawyers, facility Managers, Etc. Together there is nothing we can't accomplish. It seems the board is trying to protect its ivory tower and belittle anyone who questions its decisions.
I may not be the great leader of the 21st century, I never claimed to be. I do know this, from day one the only board member who has had anything positive to say on this blog is Jeff Jones. We may not all agree with him but he has made some good points.
The others lob insults when challanged instead of trying to unite our community.
My friends and neighbors have warned me that this would happen. They said any suggestions for the board are met with anger and name calling.
To the person who said I make up my own rules and called me a janitor...you wear your insecurities on your sleve. Why is it so difficult for you to have an objective discussion? I also challange that person to sit down with me and lets talk about ways to improve our community!
Ditto Matt's post. Rather than looking like it as progress, anything objectionable is met with controversy. Things in life don’t get done like this people, it discourages progression and weakens the community.
It seems that since matt put his best foot forward and approached the Chester Pd, there has been a significant increase in police activity! Keep up your persistence, there are already positive things will coming from it.
Thank you g!
What do you think about a voluntary community clean-up day? We could make it like a clean-up and cook-out day?
-MD
Matt:
Why do you keep bashing the condo boards. I'm not on the board and I am not on the HOA. I live here just like you.
You have made your self the self appointed director. If you want to make a difference join your board. Play by the rules don't just take it upon yourself to take charge.
Many people have expressed interested in volunteering time, the issue is that no one is taking the initiative to harvest them.
I was a write in candidate for the board. My name was not on the ballot and I did not get elected.
I am not a self appointed director, I'm sorry if I come across that way. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong and how I can do a better job expresing my views.
You are correct the problem is harvesting the volunteers. I'm trying to do that. Should I step back? If so will the board do it?
-MD
What are the rules that I'm not following?
-MD
As the blog states in its description, it is a forum in which we can express opinion and comment openly. No one here has violated anything here. It is apparent anonymous is looking to sabotage the positive atmosphere with his uninformed mind games.
Anonymous,
Your thought process is very transparent. Take your anger and apply it to positive thinking and how we can better work together to improve the community. Work with the grain and build upon what is being presented rather than tear it down like you would like to do. If you want to point a finger, point at yourself, the true reason why there is a shortage of people involved with the process.
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that the board members HIDE like chickens behind ANONYMOUS posts and Matt signs each and every one. Shows his integrity.
This place is a JOKE. I am so glad I just live there and don't participate in any of this crap. I am out making a living for my family....I raised my kids...I don't need another set of them called "board members".
Hey Matt....use your time more wisely in the future. Put your energy toward something useful...for people that will listen. I feel bad for you Matt....you are absolutely wasting your time. Go on na trip and be happy.
Thanks for all your work...I am asking you to stop now....why, because I feel for the time you are wasting...life it WAY to short to waste it on Whispering Hills.
Anonymous,
I'm sorry but that is a seriously low class attitude to have. You sound like a baby kicking and screaming. If there weren’t board members and some sort of regulation here, this place would be a hell hole!!!! With that type of attitude our real estate prices would be crap. Do you rent or own? You sound like a renter that doesn't give a damn!!
and I'm sure 99.99% of the residents feel the same.
To All
This web site is full of nothing but a bunch of complainers. I don't see how this web site can fulfill any other purpose other than to voice complaints.
Anonymous,
It’s great that you are expressing your opinion. That is exactly what this blog is for.
Here is the formula......
Residents + Opinions + Complaints + board members + hoa = improvement, progress, and resolution.
We need a little bit of everything to make things work.
We voted in these fearless leaders!
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